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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2009, 09:48:43 AM »
will others be take the cyno gen now its offline? if so, we might want to put it inside shield, in a hangar or such...
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2009, 09:50:58 AM »
when its anchored only those in corp who can configure starbase equipment can unanchor it so peeps outside corp cant take it
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2009, 10:02:54 AM »
kk, good
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2009, 07:19:15 PM »
I've been sketching a bit in my head the last two days or so about where we can take moon harvesting and reaction in the future. This isn't until we have good logistics in regards to hauling stuff to market (and back) but some general ideas.

With what we have and can get within reason is the low end advanced reactions as I've pointed out earlier in this thread. It is possible to get profit by reacting high ends brought from empire but I'm not 100% on the profits there, I'll do some more calculations later but I think that keeping to what we can produce is initially the best choice.

A complex reactor requires a large tower, it can fit a few more things but not that much, so we would have to get one of those. To lessen logistics I think that z30 is a good place to have it and we should be able to get one of the gases needed in the advanced reaction from it.
We will also need some place to react the simple reactions, either two medium or one large tower for that. Ideally in the same system as the pos with the complex reaction to make hauling simpler/faster.

Then it is probable we might need more harvesting towers eventually. But for a medium term moon harvesting setup we would need the above mentioned towers, probably easiest is two large.

Anyway just some random thoughts.

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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2009, 09:01:16 PM »
I would indeed like as much posses as possible to be kept in one system
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2009, 05:39:17 AM »
Quote from: Warcold on May 19, 2009, 09:01:16 PM
I would indeed like as much posses as possible to be kept in one system

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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2009, 11:00:58 AM »
Some more random ramblings.
Did a bit of calculations on profit from reacting more advanced materials (in this case hypersynaptic fibers).
By buying (jita prices) dysporite and vanadium hafnite the profitmargin is about 500m/month. Slightly higher if we buy hafnium and react with vanadium in fountain (given we can find a vanadium moon) but would need more pos resources. It would be possible to set up the hypersynaptic fiber reaction with only one more tower (large) so estimating 100m in running costs for that tower the profit should end up around 400m/month.
We would also still be able to sell half the production from the solerium reaction since it would give 200/h but the advanced only uses 100/h.
So in theory we could make about 500m/month from both reactions.
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2009, 03:51:49 PM »
Hmm something is wrong with the prices of moon materials in jita currently.
Chromium alone is worth about 3.1k isk/unit (and caesium 1.4k isk/unit), so selling those without reacting them yields more than reacting them into solerium.
Basically we would get 324m/month from that compared to solerium which yields 201m/month.

Looked a bit at alchemy (someone said that if you had a chrom/cad moon you should do it), given perfect refines and buying cadmium, to make the prometium alchemy reaction it should yield about 356m/month.
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #53 on: May 27, 2009, 06:54:18 AM »
Now with arcane gone there should be ample of good moons to take.
I'm going to go look around at the places where arcane sov dropped and see if I can find either more chrom moons (as selling chrom by itself is very profitable) or other decent moons.
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2009, 07:37:34 PM »
Meh sot has gotten sov in 7-8.
So might be forced to remove the pos we have there (our chrom pos).
Don't know if we should do nothing and wait until they react or be proactive and talk to them.
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2009, 06:14:53 AM »
Well sent a eve-mail to nowayman (sot contact on the renters agreement) and asked about how to handle this.
I expect to get a angry reply demanding we move the pos at once back.
But probably better to tell them them when and how it ended up before they find out about it, think that gives a better chance to get to keep the pos even if it is a very small chance.

We'll see by tonight or so I guess.
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2009, 03:49:25 PM »
We have a Caesium moon right?

Just read this somewhere:

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ABout 50 mil a week un reacted, 500 Mil a month if you do a Reaction with it.

Thats not bad is it?
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2009, 03:55:05 PM »
so far only chromium has sold in jita, caesium hasnt yet
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2009, 04:55:17 PM »
Quote from: Mangala on June 08, 2009, 03:49:25 PM
We have a Caesium moon right?

Just read this somewhere:

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ABout 50 mil a week un reacted, 500 Mil a month if you do a Reaction with it.

Thats not bad is it?

Old numbers.
Caesium and Solerium has plummeted in price while chromium has skyrocketed.
Caesium seems to go for about 1000/unit=71m/30 days
Chrom goes for about 3000/unit=216m/30 days

Solerium goes for about 2200/unit=316m/30 days

So can be abit more valuable, changed significantly in a few days, probably since Caesium has fallen by 30% or so. I've been reconsidering alchemy though, having chromium means we can react it into prometium iirc.
Not efficient for reacting to advanced materials but for pure sales it can be profitable.

(given perfect refines which I assume we can get in empire, someone should have standings enough I hope haha)
Each cycle yields 10 prometium and 95 cadmium while it consumes 100 chrom and 100 cadmium.
So:
10*59000+95*6500-100*6500=557500/h ~400m/30 days

Another option is hyperflourite:
10*54000+95*1500-100*1500=532500/h ~383m/30 days (if we could get a vanadium moon it would be about 491m but would ofc have the added cost of running a pos at that moon)
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Re: Moon Mining
« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2009, 06:42:09 AM »
Got a response from Nowayman from SoT today:
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i'm corently at vacation and don't know do you solve that issue or not but if you not you can contact red pimp

I don't really know what he said but I sent the mail to red pimp, so another wait I guess. :)
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