Corp Ui needs to die

[Warcold]

but wouldnt having a separate BPO tab 'solve' theft-threat just as well (at the cost of one tab ofc)?
could ofc put the more expensive BPOs (BS and up?) in a separate password-protected can, so builders with access will have to go to station for those builds, but not for the most regular builds?

[Mangala]

One thing, why would people remote build in derelik?  (max remote build is region wide iirc). The only use for remote building i can see is when we build caps in lowsec and thats all bpc's which would need to be moved to a build site.

In our Derelik ops - the mission system people occasionally use is 5 jumps out, 5 jumps is nothing, and we dont use anywhere else in Derelik for anything (we are sat near enough the regions edge).

And wouldnt mats and bps all need to be in the same hangar to build from? (Im rusty on building), which makes things even more annoying doesnt it?

[Warcold]

My knowledge stops here too.
All I know is that Jere remote built quite a lot, so I hope he can shine some light on the matter.

[peo]

Don't think you need to have them in the same tab... but unsure.

TBH most bpos shouldn't be in derelik (or wherever we end up eventually) anyways should they? Building should in general take place from bpcs. BPOs should be in KASEI being copied.

The only bpos that are used for building are capitals (which are easily enough locked as they are fairly few) and rigs.

[Mangala]

Firmly staying in Derelik forever, regardless of anything that happens in the future. Im not moving the corps assets again.

[Warcold]

Unrented Antti V-14 and Kubinen station today.
They still appear on assets list, but suppose they will disappear when the month of rent ends.

[Mangala]

Unrented Antti V-14 and Kubinen station today.
They still appear on assets list, but suppose they will disappear when the month of rent ends.

Awesome

[Warcold]

Alperaute and Pashanai closed too.

[Mangala]

So, how about we go back to 2 hangars for bp's, but not bpc/bpo but bp storage and bp for use?

Then we just ensure that builders etc have access to use and when shit needs doing just dump bp's of either class into it?

(we have 2 spare hangars now you see)...

[Warcold]

Well it all hinges on how we decide to allocate BPOs between KASEI/MAADI
(Especially if you move KASEI to Derelik as you suggested ingame) putting all BPOs within KASEI would solve all tbh - someone stealing all BPCs would be unfortunate, but not a huge loss, 100-200M max I guess

Your proposal makes some sense, but I don't see it's merrits over BPO/BPC. But maybe that is because I don't really get your thoughts behind this way of doing things. Forgive me, I'm a bit dull today(?).

[Mangala]

I just dont see the point on a hangar for bpos and a hangar for bpcs, when we can just use cans and 1 hangar.

And then have a hangar to be used for placing bp's that we need stuff building from whether its copies (ships and such) or originals (rigs etc).  This way the builders can still build remotely if necessary, and I get my peace of mind*

Means we can sit securely on all blueprints, and only risk losing what we dump in the "build jobs" hangar.

[Warcold]

I just dont see the point on a hangar for bpos and a hangar for bpcs, when we can just use cans and 1 hangar.

And then have a hangar to be used for placing bp's that we need stuff building from whether its copies (ships and such) or originals (rigs etc).  This way the builders can still build remotely if necessary, and I get my peace of mind*

Means we can sit securely on all blueprints, and only risk losing what we dump in the "build jobs" hangar.

Ok, I get that. The thing that worries me about your go at it (storage vs. use), is the micromanagement it will take plus and including the inevitable mixing up of BPs (what was supposed to be where etc.)
I think we need to get clear what we want to want to achieve with having 2 hangars or 1 hangar with cans. If it's theft protection we need to find out a way to tweak access of various titles/roles. If it's a clearer overview of all the BPs we got, we need to come up with a good way to separate BPs (but you've already done that with cans - however: remote building).
I don't see how giving all builders access to BPCs and trusted builders (B&C and Jere for starters) access to BPO. It won't fix getting clear what we got and how much, but it will solve theft protection simple and elegantly I think (while still making remote building possible)

[Mangala]

Been thinking about this.  Its possible I was thinking of security possibilities over utility, and my own peace of mind over ease of use for people.

So, Im gonna stick with one hangar + cans for storage and some use, but change things up slightly.

All BPO's that we have in MAADI - a number I hope to increase over time as KASEI sitting with BPO's doing not much (especially if we already have lots of copies of said BPO) isnt a good thing - will be removed from cans and locked down in the BP hangar.  That way they can be used by people we trust not to fuck us over, and still maintain my peace of mind in that nothing goes walkies without my say so (major shareholder who is active>all as U'K shouldve known!!!).

Majority of copies can be kept in cans in that hangar.  However, say 3 of each type of copy (noncap bp's - all of those will be moved to a new lowsec station and left in then main bp hangar) can be dumped in the second hangar and used by anyone who can build (we can two tier building thanks to the way hangar permissions work). As those copies in the that hangar run out, open cans and replace.

So not much management = 5mins of work for me (since by the time this goes live, i'll have 2 alts living in kasrasi anyways), and I still get my security.

tl:dr

Kasrasi hangar 1: bpos out in the open under lockdown votes; BPC's in cans. Trusted builders able to access this hangar.
Kasrasi hangar 2: 3 of each type of bpc sitting out in the open (ammo, ship,  drone basically) for anyone with correct privileges to use.
Lowsec Derelik office hangar 1. Cap parts bpc's and cap ship bpc's sitting and useable by trusted cap builders.

Not a return to 2 hangars by bp class, but a compromise.

[peo]

Sounds good.

[Mangala]

FYI

1. MODS CHARGES.  Cans with T1 mods by slot. Cans with Ammo by type.
2. MANUFACTORY. Cans for Salvage. Cans for Refining. Cans for POS Fuel. Cans for Sleeper shits. And minerals laying around loose on the floor.
3. SHIPS. T1 Ships. (may keep x amount in here, and the rest in a restricted hangar)
4. BOOKS IMPLANTS RANDOM. What it says. Tags, books, implants etc
5. BLUEPRINTS. Cans of BPC's. Increasing number of BPO's under lockdown votes.  Will be restricted to 3 groups (me, directors and trusted folks)*
6. BPC BUILDS. Lots of random bpcs but not the whole lot. Open to 4 groups most likely.
7. RESTRICTED. Hold caps, t2 ships, expensive shit.

*At a potential lowsec office in Derelik will also hold cap ship, cap module and cap part bpc's on its floor for cap building.