NPC 0.0...

[Mangala]

Repost of a post Dale Irvin made in Command on the alliance forum.  Im sharing this here as I do think its a good move, and tbh closeness to NPC 0.0 was one of the reasons I hauled us across new eden in the first place...

Great wildlands is the nullsec npc region next to Molden Heath. You cannot hold sov there since it is NPC 0.0 so no TCU SBU etc etc...However there is still the same things you can do in other 0.0 space, ratting(angel rats), plexing(phat lewtz), moon minning and of course PVP.

Now at the moment with our size we are not going to be able to live in 0.0 without friends, there are just to many powerhouses that are going to kick us out in the first few days. In Great Wildlands there are a few allainces that had blue standings with SEALS. RE-AL, True Reign, Ethereal Dawn, Warped Agression are a few. I have been in and out of the region and I have talked with them and they want us to go down and to help boost the number of allies in the area.

A bit of History in the area, many in the allaince know of Cult of War(Cow) and thier pets such as Gentlemens Club and Yarr and CO who basicly go around just killing stuff lived in GW. RE-AL and True reign have been living in the region fighting COW for a long time now and have had great success their only problem being their numbers. COW and their pets have just recently left the region and claimed their own sov basicly emptying GW of reds. Leaving only blues to take over the area and the only real threat that is left is the roaming gangs that pass by there is no more big nasty allaince living in the area.

The Pvp ops that these guys run are the best I have ever been in. They constantly get kills and have great Fc's. Here is a taste http://republicalliance.killmail.org/?a=home and a video I made from one of their ops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAlLNA6jpoI.

What I would like to see is if we can our diplos can talk to theirs and we can get some activity going down there. I really think this is our best chance in 0.0 for us right now and it would get us used to the nullsec life as we want sov in the long run.


let me know what yall think-
Dale Irvin

So folks, what say you?  Ive already experessed my support for such a thing in Command, but I'd like to get an opinion from us all on this.

[peo]

COW and their pets have just recently left the region and claimed their own sov basicly emptying GW of reds. Leaving only blues to take over the area and the only real threat that is left is the roaming gangs that pass by there is no more big nasty allaince living in the area.

Thats my concern.

If everything is blue (and afaik Re-al and TR are NRDS) does that mean we have to live in something similar to providence but without the roamining gangs to shoot at?
Also Dale is seriously overestimating Re-Al/TRs hold over GW, they nominally have some idea of keeping it nrds but they don't have any ability to enforce any kind of hold over the valuable moons or similar there.
COW/GC still hold significant amounts of moons and probably most of the good ones.

However I see the point Mang makes and agree that it is probably a very good way to go for the alliance. I just fear they will settle into the same "grind npcs and rocks" they are in now.

[Mangala]

I can get us roaming gangs, just go all nubpost on coad and smack people

[peo]

Always possible but as said I'm never without concerns. That doesn't mean I'm not for it in general as long as we go in with open eyes and not as pets of re-al and TR.

[Warcold]

I applaud more pvp and more rewards.
I fear the politics.

[Jeremiah]

Seems a good idea - making friends and connections can't be bad - plus its just next door to Kasrasi so gets my vote.  Once we get a few dreads and carriers we can start taking some of cows moons off them as well.  Bit of exploration for gas clouds and some booster production might also be on the cards.  All good if you ask me.

[Mangala]

Hrod - tower(s) you have plans for in GW, we can use a staging tower (for MAADI anyways )

[peo]

Yes, the idea is in L1s at a good moon there, but won't put it up until I can supply it with jump capable ships. NOT!!!!!! hauling fuel for large towers in a indy :p

[Mangala]

Yes, the idea is in L1s at a good moon there, but won't put it up until I can supply it with jump capable ships. NOT!!!!!! hauling fuel for large towers in a indy :p

Flashbacks to the fountain

[peo]

Yes, the idea is in L1s at a good moon there, but won't put it up until I can supply it with jump capable ships. NOT!!!!!! hauling fuel for large towers in a indy :p

Flashbacks to the fountain

Haha yes, and in npc 0.0 you are even unsafer.
(oh and to clarify I won't haul in a freighter either in 0.0 )

What I will do is continue to probe moons. To help the alliance and try to find something juicy for us.

[peo]

[13:02:31] xxSquallxx > leave the system. its not allowed for neuts here to be.
[13:02:55] Hrodgar Ortal > says who?
[13:03:05] xxSquallxx > Republic alliance
[13:03:33] Hrodgar Ortal > oh? they do do they? where do they say that?
[13:05:18] xxSquallxx > in theyre rules...got only 30 secs left
[13:07:06] Hrodgar Ortal > as far as I'm concerned this sytem has thukker tribe sov and since re-al etc are nrds and I'm not red to them I doubt they will do shit
[13:07:33] Hrodgar Ortal > but feel free to find me and kill me if thats what you want
[13:08:39] xxSquallxx > time 3290 > ok tell him this 5 mins to move or i set him red
[13:10:11] Hrodgar Ortal > i'l move, next time I might not be as nice though
[13:10:42] xxSquallxx > i dont wanted to be unpolite...just do what the wanted me to say...
[13:10:48] xxSquallxx > just a friendly man here
[13:11:30] Hrodgar Ortal > given that we for some reason have them blue but well their choice,
[13:11:48] xxSquallxx > of course

Well fuck em.
They are blue to us... However we are not blue to them? who the hell set those standings? Why the hell wasn't it mutual?

Next time as I've said I might not be as nice and move.
Next time I'll be in something more dangerous than a cov ops frig out to help the alliance.

Basically, seems someone wants us to be pets to a no holder alliance... Thats worse than being pet to holder alliance.

[Warcold]

let's wait for diplo's to do their thing, they didnt really have time to do stuff, but if this is how it's going to be, it might not be their best advert to getting more ppl into GW to help defend it.

[peo]

ok i talked with them today and they said they have no problem with us living there but as long as we operate nrds we can have access to the x up and intel channels, and once we start fleeting up with then we will be blue. as far as u3k goes he said that they try and keep that system just TR and re-al but they will not be hostile to us.

Just so everyone is clear who we are talking about:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/True_Reign
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Republic_Alliance

As a comparison:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Beyond-Control

To me it feels, well, like they intend to keep the by far best system to themselves and dictate terms. But maybe I'm just to sensitive and paranoid what do I know. In either case, it'll be a COLD day in hell when I take orders from either.

[Dehn]

doesn't sound all that fun to me..

[peo]

doesn't sound all that fun to me..

It is a temporary situation imo.
One step towards becoming a real holder and setting our own rules.

http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?5360-So-what-s-up-with-Geminate&p=62662&viewfull=1#post62662

MM and Razor learnt from our own painful lessons what it takes to be a spaceholder and we would not be easy alliances to remove from power while we retain the people that learnt those lessons. I have confidence in my alliance's ability to cope with challenge because we went through the highs and lows of of spaceholding without anyone to protect us, we had to find out very bitter lessons on where we needed to improve. How does one learn those lessons when protected from any real adversary?

Bolded the important parts.

Success is a process which we have to go through.

I'd suggest we base up around V-I where there are lots of russians (or russian pets) running around who should be fair game (or we go a few jumps and kill them in their own region)