Talk with Alenzo

[Warcold]

Hmm, seems the first 10-20 lines of the conversation are gone, but it started with Alenzo asking me if Red was there, so I said, no, hospital, blahblah.
Then he told me he wanted 300M from us and, if possible, us to place a large tower (costing 350ish M) in CHA2. Arcane will loose Sov there, and as far as I understood, EZ will buy the system off of em (or some like that).

havent much time atm, so i wont give a tl;dr, but here goes:

btw, special attention:
bolded part: mang
red part: everyone: shush!


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  Channel ID:      2143724358
  Channel Name:    Private Chat (Alenzo)
  Listener:        Safran Foer
  Session started: 2009.05.21 15:59:08
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?[ 2009.05.21 15:59:11 ] Safran Foer > heya
?[ 2009.05.21 15:59:17 ] Alenzo > hey saf
?[ 2009.05.21 15:59:41 ] Alenzo > red 7 still not online the last days....
?[ 2009.05.21 15:59:50 ] Safran Foer > nope, he is in hospital  :s
?[ 2009.05.21 15:59:56 ] Alenzo > i need someone responsible from ma adim
?[ 2009.05.21 15:59:56 ] Safran Foer > for quite some time now
?[ 2009.05.21 16:00:00 ] Alenzo > damn
?[ 2009.05.21 16:00:11 ] Alenzo > hope there is nothing really bad
?[ 2009.05.21 16:00:35 ] Safran Foer > not lifethreatening, no, but not very good either, something thats hard to fix anyway
?[ 2009.05.21 16:00:38 ] Alenzo > is there anyone instead of red with director rights?
?[ 2009.05.21 16:01:00 ] Safran Foer > not with the rights, but i am quite up to date with what is going on in our corp
?[ 2009.05.21 16:01:04 ] Safran Foer > whats up?
?[ 2009.05.21 16:01:16 ] Alenzo > i need to get some deal sorted very soon
?[ 2009.05.21 16:01:21 ] Alenzo > ok
?[ 2009.05.21 16:01:34 ] Alenzo > i need from every corp in the ally 300 million
?[ 2009.05.21 16:01:43 ] Safran Foer > what for?
?[ 2009.05.21 16:01:46 ] Alenzo > we will get sov 3 and a JB in CHA2
?[ 2009.05.21 16:01:55 ] Alenzo > thats the deal
?[ 2009.05.21 16:02:04 ] Safran Foer > hmm, ok
?[ 2009.05.21 16:02:09 ] Safran Foer > and how soon is soon?
?[ 2009.05.21 16:02:31 ] Alenzo > first i need to know if you guys are with us and second if you can or want to place a large tower in there
?[ 2009.05.21 16:03:14 ] Alenzo > we need to get the towers in there as fast as possible, first already anchored, 2nd atm on the way
?[ 2009.05.21 16:03:36 ] Alenzo > the thing is, arcane will looose sov very soon
?[ 2009.05.21 16:03:54 ] Alenzo > and we want to gain it for our prodders and miners
?[ 2009.05.21 16:04:10 ] Alenzo > i think it would be also interesting for ur corp
?[ 2009.05.21 16:04:14 ] Safran Foer > ok, let me talk with the others online and i will get back to you asap
?[ 2009.05.21 16:04:17 ] Safran Foer > aye, true
?[ 2009.05.21 16:04:51 ] Alenzo > all i need is a yes and 300 mill, and a large tower claiming
?[ 2009.05.21 16:05:00 ] Safran Foer > hold on
?[ 2009.05.21 16:05:05 ] Alenzo > maybe you guys can handle that
?[ 2009.05.21 16:05:09 ] Alenzo > yeah no stress
?[ 2009.05.21 16:05:23 ] Alenzo > just to make sure u understand my crappy english hrhr
?[ 2009.05.21 16:05:49 ] Safran Foer > i do, i do 
?[ 2009.05.21 16:14:06 ] Safran Foer > ok, im back
Alenzo > i am not really, snd convo argh
Safran Foer > shall i get on vent?
Alenzo > i can write in two convos in english and german and talk english, that would be horrible for u and me hehe
Safran Foer > lol
Safran Foer > ok, let me lay it out for you a bit, and you can read it later
Alenzo > kk
Safran Foer > Red was not only our diplomat, but also our Carrier and Rorq pilot.<br>Since he has been gone for about a month, most of our logistics died out -> no income, no ships/modules from hisec, etc
Safran Foer > So our wallet is not the thickest about. Paying 300 to alliance AND 350 for a large tower would be a large chunk out of our wallet.
Safran Foer > On top of that, we have some matters concerning the alliance we would like to clear up. But since our CEO has had limited access too, this has been lying around for a bit.
Safran Foer > CEO will hopefully get better access starting next week, so think he will get in touch with you soon.
Alenzo > ok i understand that really good,
Alenzo > so for the deal the 300 mills are also not possible or just the large tower?
Safran Foer > large tower will be no go for sure im afraid<br>the 300, personally, i have questions, but i dont know how the CEO thinks about it and I dont want to disturb relations between MAADI and EZ
Safran Foer > so for now, i will pay the 300, but will ask CEO to give a final go about it later
Alenzo > go on with ur questions
Alenzo > i dont have any probs with that and i can handle it confident
Safran Foer > well, not sure if everyone in corp thinks about it this way, but personally i am wondering where all the money goes that we put in alliance, plus the income from pvp loot
Alenzo > the pvp loot is raising on an special account to start an reimburstment program for the ally
Alenzo > this is on the table in council and if there are some ally events where people looses ships it should be reimbursted in some form
Safran Foer > ah, we did not know that. most of us (or all) still not having forum access (afaik) doesnt help
Alenzo > Forum is another thing
Alenzo > we are on it since one week for a new forum with api access
Safran Foer > ah, thats good news
Alenzo > so all members of event horizon have access only
Alenzo > just with the limited api key
Safran Foer > nice
Alenzo > that a little bit difficult but Aftermath is onit
Safran Foer > cool
Alenzo > the next think is
Alenzo > i think we talked already about it
Alenzo > we want to make the ally more international
Alenzo > so thats my part
Safran Foer > aye, we went there already 
Safran Foer > /emote nods
Alenzo > i have a 60 man pvp corp english speakers from CZ
Safran Foer > good news
Alenzo > and a 95 man corp from UK/us 50/50
Alenzo > i am on it to get them into the EH boot
Alenzo > so thats the 3 projects we work on
Safran Foer > very cool
Alenzo > and
Alenzo > plz keep it confident as best as you can
Alenzo > some money is given back to the investors of the outpost
Alenzo > there were 4 investors for this outpost
Alenzo > i think it was 25 billion
Safran Foer > /emote nods
Alenzo > they have to get backevery month a little bit of income, not much
Safran Foer > how confident should i keep this, can corp members know this?
Alenzo > not if they dont ask
Alenzo > just want to make it clear cause u was askin
Safran Foer > kk
Safran Foer > alright
Alenzo > u are a member of Eh
Alenzo > and if you want to know where all the isk goes to
Alenzo > i tell ya
Alenzo > but
Safran Foer > yeah, im dutch, so tight on the money, lol
Alenzo > it is not much without refining in pnqy you earn a month, thats what i can also tell ya
Safran Foer > well ofc we have the trouble that our main base is in Z30, which is quite far from Z30
Alenzo > just docking fees from some renters and the market fee with a crappy market in pnqy
Alenzo > thats why i want you in another system to join us more
Safran Foer > plus 50M/month for an office 
Safran Foer > /emote nods
Alenzo > oh yeah the office rent
Alenzo > ur right
Safran Foer > but with our carrier pilotless, moving is hard atm
Alenzo > yeah
Safran Foer > but we might move in the end, it will take some time though
Alenzo > well
Alenzo > we build a freighter
Safran Foer > we have a lot of stuff out there, our main office being in MN5 too
Alenzo > and it can come to k8l via jumpbridge
Safran Foer > but that is really not for me to decide, that really is CEO stuff
Alenzo > if that is something that could help ya a bit
Safran Foer > who do i transfer the 300M to?
Alenzo > to me in the first step
Safran Foer > i will lay it before the CEO
Safran Foer > and we (the corp) will discuss it i guess
Alenzo > i will take care of the deal
Safran Foer > ok
Alenzo > cause i dont really trust arcane
Alenzo > if we get sov in there
Alenzo > i pay
Alenzo > if not, all corps get a payback
Alenzo > and if you have good miners, mercroxit is the way to go in cha to get back ur money as fast as possible
Safran Foer > ok, i transfer the money to you, but CEO will have final word, so if he wants it back...<br>I will let you two fight it out  <br>but guess he will be fine with it
Alenzo > well a moon is rreserved for you in cha everytime for a pos
Safran Foer > we have a POS in C1, so we mine there atm, as far as our logistics allow us
Safran Foer > ok, cool
Alenzo > and if he wants it back
Alenzo > i handle it in one way or another
Alenzo > thx for ur trust and the open speakin
Safran Foer > i dont think so, but i dont take the decisions here, so thats why i say its not final till the CEO gives a go
Safran Foer > np, you too, for listening and answering some questions
Safran Foer > much appreciated and thx for your time
Alenzo > hope i could get you some details to make some things a little bit clearer for ya
Alenzo > o/
Safran Foer > yeah, you sure did, thanks 
Safran Foer > o7

[peo]

Can understand paying cash back to the people who built the outpost (just wonder why they built the worst kind haha).
That at least clears the monetary part up, a quick estimate would be that we pay 3m/member to that which would mean that the outposts 25bn is going to be payed off in about a year (if starting today but since EZ hasn't had sov for more than a couple of months I would guess it is about a year to go).

Didn't understand what he was on about with a freighter.
Did he mean a JF to help with logistics to/from fountain or inside fountain? Inside isn't that big a problem really, moving 10 jumps or so is easy enough the problem is bringing stuff to market and supplies back from market.

Cha2 is a very good system in general, apart from moon mining, 15 belts +1 ice belt. Close to a refinery (only 35% one and 5% tax but still) in g95 and so on. So moving the pos from c1x there (and upgrading when we can afford to) would be a good option. But I wont do anything like that until I'm 100% sure the rorqual isn't in limbo in c1x making it vulnerable there.

 

[Dehn]

I so want an alliance forum to work out.

Without communication we can't be a proper alliance of people.

[peo]

I so want an alliance forum to work out.

Without communication we can't be a proper alliance of people.

This I agree on wholeheartedly.

Without a place out of eve to talk and inform people I don't think a alliance (or any online gaming group larger than perhaps 10) can prosper.

[Caradir]

p.s.

it seems that they dont really know what they are doing


but then i am a hater

[peo]

p.s.

it seems that they dont really know what they are doing


but then i am a hater

Quite clear that last thing imo. Their long term plans are more obscure

[Warcold]

think he meant if we move to near PNQ they can have a freighter help us in the logistics.


and cons, this time i'll ask you to explain yourself, why do you think they dont know what they are doing (if it gets a flame, so be it, interested in your extended but founded view on this one)

[Mangala]

Rorq is safely logged off given that Red was piloting it and WASNT aggressed when he logged the last time a while back.

I have no issue with the 300mill, if it helps in a goal for the alliance (Buying that space) then so be it.  Im also supportive of the idea of moving the C1X tower/upgrading from it etc if thats what you guys what.

As for the rest - Saf you are the MAN!  Got a few answers there

[peo]

I know it is safe for now I mean when he gets back I wouldn't want the rorqual to warp back to a c1x moon that might be occupied by someone else. (or hostile ships)

[Warcold]

btw, mang (and everyone), if you are talking to Alenzo, concerning the unanswered questions. plz dont mention i copy pasted the whole conversation in forum - remember the red part.
just say i gave a breakdown of the convo or something

thx

[peo]

Rorq is safely logged off given that Red was piloting it and WASNT aggressed when he logged the last time a while back.

I have no issue with the 300mill, if it helps in a goal for the alliance (Buying that space) then so be it.  Im also supportive of the idea of moving the C1X tower/upgrading from it etc if thats what you guys what.

As for the rest - Saf you are the MAN!  Got a few answers there

You don't happen to know in which system he was when he logged off?

[Warcold]

searched local logs and added the first part of the conversation with Alenzo.
if Sirrius keeps sov in CHA2, I think we will need to ask our 300M back (or at least inquire what has become of it)

[peo]

searched local logs and added the first part of the conversation with Alenzo.
if Sirrius keeps sov in CHA2, I think we will need to ask our 300M back (or at least inquire what has become of it)

Doubt they will keep sov if/when large EZ towers go up.