Hands of Justice
What we have played => EVE Online => Topic started by: Mangala on December 14, 2008, 07:26:09 PM
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I shall be using Mangala to setup an alt corporation with Standings to both the Caldari State (8.0 at least) and Amarr Empire (5.0, nearing 6.0) in order for us to be able to setup a Hi-sec space POS or two for the purposes of Materials & Time Research on Blueprint Originals & Copies. (Trying this in regular stations in Hisec is akin to finding the proverbial needle in the haystack).
The involved setup costs for the corp, the pos(es) and a couple of months worth of fuel will be happily met by me. I see this as a worthy investment so I dont mind, and plus, I am sure I can do some ice mining with Thera for the right isotypes to keep the thing(s) running for a while and keep costs down.
An Alliance will follow in order to allow people in Ma'adim with the correct skills and such to utilise the POS for research.
I am currently reading up all the information I can find on these from running costs to exactly what else apart from research they can be used for. I will continue to build this post and thread overall as I get the info understood in my mind.
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Should I go the route of allowing alts into the corp to use the POS to research and so on then this is the best plan to follow:
1) Choose Caldari
2) Choose Achura
3) Choose any gender
4) Assign stats to +3 int , +2 mem
5) Choose Inventors
6) Choose Industry
7) Choose Engineer
8.) Choose Entrepreneur
9) Make your pretty picture
You should now have the following relevant skills by default:
Laboratory Operations V (Control 6 slots)
Research III (15% bonus to research production efficiency speed)
Science III (15% faster copying time, also pre-requisite skill)
Thus far, we have needed zero training time, and have been born with 802,000 skill points. After this, you will need to purchase the following skills, or obtain from the local market when you arrive in whatever system the station is in.
Corporation Management - 10,000 isk(/yellow]
Scientific Networking – 6.75m isk
Metallurgy – 315,000 isk
Do the skill training in this order:
(http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0703/Research_Plan.JPG)
For those who want to maximise Alt efficiency, you can purchase the Advanced Laboratories skill for 20 million isk, and within a further 24 hours you will be able to run a further 3 lab slots (or 9 in total)
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Two questions:
1. Moon reactions or is that lo-sec/0.0 only?
2. How does this 'reasearch' work; is it for creating T2 BPOs from T1 BPOs?
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Research improves the quality of your BPOs so they require fewer minerals, generally increasing profit margin. Invention uses datacores and T1 BPCs to give you a chance at producing limited run T2 BPCs.
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Two questions:
1. Moon reactions or is that lo-sec/0.0 only?
2. How does this 'reasearch' work; is it for creating T2 BPOs from T1 BPOs?
Moon Reactions, 0.3 and under including 0.0.
Research - for improving bpo's and copying to create good bpc's.
As Jeremiah says Invention uses bpo/bpc and datacores fo T1 stuff. This can be done at hisec pos'es though too :)
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Got a good writeup on invention anywhere? I think there's money in them there hills ... especially if you where to sell what ....
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try : http://www.eve-guides.com/ittey/index.php
Your own lab isn't really necessary for invention : there aren't any queues for inventing spaces.
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The biggest overhead with a POS is more maintainance - they need refueling.
Which also means hauling the fuel between the station(s) and the POS itself.
If we have people that can lay a cyno - then I'm happy to jump between the fuel dump station and the POS.
I would need to check range - but I have jump drive calibration at lvl 5.
It'll still need all the POS fuel being brought to the dump station.
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Useful point there Rub - important for a lowsec pos ofc as we could in theory move the stuff into an entry system by freighter and then trade to you and then the carrier cyno's off to the lowsec pos system :)
Any hisec pos and its just straight hauling - frieghter work to the system, and itty V or Badger II work to the POS itself (no cyno's in hisec)
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I have a little more cleaning up to do with Red but expect an app to the Corp any day.
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I've used these guys before: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=765304
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Useful point there Rub - important for a lowsec pos ofc as we could in theory move the stuff into an entry system by freighter and then trade to you and then the carrier cyno's off to the lowsec pos system :)
Any hisec pos and its just straight hauling - frieghter work to the system, and itty V or Badger II work to the POS itself (no cyno's in hisec)
Freighters can unload in space now.
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Excellent Vac, thats something I didnt know about them, will make fueling easier then :)
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Ive been reading up on hisec POS. What about the issue of various faction / corps Wardecing the corp just to enable them to attack/destroy generally cause a nuisance with the POS. Yeah I know that they can't bring Dreads etc into hisec to attack it but with enough BS etc it could still be an issue. My understanding is that if the Wardec'd us first then the local law enforcement would not step in to help protect the POS. Are we in a position to be able to protect a POS at this stage?
Just a few noobish questions for you old timers to answer ;D
As ive found every day in this game each question i answer raises three more ::)
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You get 24 hours notice of an impending war, which given Im usually on EVE in one form or another is plenty of time :)
Gives you time to quickly offline and remove the pos, or offline its useful modules and turn it into a deathstar pos with hardeners galore for resistance, ecm batteries, webs and lots of bloody lasers :D
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First steps on this road have been taken.
I have created an alt to be my research char in the new alt corp Mangala will be able to setup tomorrow. Mangala will need to stay in the corp for around a week to get the standings to sufficient level to actually anchor the POS Control tower and labs.
Simud Solaris (CEO Alt, on same account as Mangala, not another new account!) will then accept applications from NO Standings characters with the skills here:
1) Choose Caldari
2) Choose Achura
3) Choose any gender
4) Assign stats to +3 int , +2 mem
5) Choose Inventors
6) Choose Industry
7) Choose Engineer
8.) Choose Entrepreneur
9) Make your pretty picture
You should now have the following relevant skills by default:
Laboratory Operations V (Control 6 slots)
Research III (15% bonus to research production efficiency speed)
Science III (15% faster copying time, also pre-requisite skill)
Thus far, we have needed zero training time, and have been born with 802,000 skill points. After this, you will need to purchase the following skills, or obtain from the local market when you arrive in whatever system the station is in.
Corporation Management - 10,000 isk(/yellow]
Scientific Networking – 6.75m isk
Metallurgy – 315,000 isk
Do the skill training in this order:
(which will let them use research on the tower and its labs) then we can move on from that stage.
I'll be posting seperate threads breaking down fuel requirements and such like later this evening.
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not another new account!
thank god for that! 7 accounts would have been insanity :D
hmm, guess i will make new char and invest the couple of days of skilltraining needed @ end of dec / start of jan (see other post, away for few days).
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Kasei Technologies (KASEI) is up and running.
Its HQ & Office is at Anttiri V - Moon 6 - Spacelane Patrol Assembly Plant
:D
I'll be working on its standings over coming days.
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I've found some POS fuel (most types) that I have put up as a contract to Mangala Solaris for 7 days.
There are isotopes also but it depends on what tower you're going to be putting up.
Edit: It also include some XL ammo for your guns.
I have limited contracting at the mo - so let me know when you've claimed it - and I'll do the next.
The current one is in Konora and the next will be in Fliet.
Edit: Boosted my contracting skill and they're all up now.
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Cheers - accepted 2 of the 3 - i'd recontract the BPC packs to Ma'adim Logisitics via any of my chars currently in that corp so that way they are in the hands of the Builders :)
As for towers, I am looking at a Caldari Med or a DG Med really - enough to handle what we'd like on their and not too much of an investment either (less than a bill all in with modules etc).
They use:
Enriched Uranium
Coolant
Robotics
Mechanical Parts
Oxygen
Nitrogen Isotopes
Heavy Water
Liquid Ozone
Strontium Calistrates (spelling) for Reinforced mode protection if we do get decced (doubt it)
The Cadlari Med also requires Caldari Starbase Charters.
AM looking at either of these, as given Mangs massive caldari standings, its easier to setup a tower there - and maybe one in Amarr space eventually - While tower type matters little I just went with the options that would allow us to gather our own fuel from closer sources rather than needing to buy or ship from other regions.
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Created my research alt, making way to anttiri as i type...
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Created my research alt, making way to anttiri as i type...
Excellent, I'll be on numerous accounts shortly. Finally got a storyline on mangala that will start the standings boost for the research corp. It seems you need to get a storyline while in corp, not merely complete one as I had thought earlier in the week :S
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Hmm, I am at a loss what to do with the char really. The skills you mentioned:
Laboratory Operations V (Control 6 slots)
Research III (15% bonus to research production efficiency speed)
Science III (15% faster copying time, also pre-requisite skill)
Corporation Management - 10,000 isk(/yellow]
Scientific Networking – 6.75m isk
Metallurgy – 315,000 isk
are different from skills mentioned in the guide you posted (http://www.eve-guides.com/ittey/intro.html (http://www.eve-guides.com/ittey/intro.html)). That correct?
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Thats invention specific skill s- take them as an extra to the research/bp copying related skills that the alts ideally should start with (also teaches me to clarify posts full stop ;D)
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Ok, could you give some directions what BPOs need to be researched and which need to be purchased?
I would love to buy all i BPOs can eat on NPC-market, but dont think wallet would like that :D
Also: At this time (i.e. public stations) material research is nigh impossible (>20 days waiting list), so its either copy or time-research, any preferences in that?
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KASEI wont be purchasing BPO's, MAADI - once the POS is up (assuming my tickets on wtf is going with my corp standings in KASEI ever gets answered) - will transfer BPO's it needs copies off, research done and such to KASEI for those to be done there at the tower, free of queues :)
However if you are mucking about learning it then time-research is as good as anything to do nor now until the tower is in place and the surrounding infrastructure.
As for purchasing BPO's for MAADI's stocks - you have access to the wallet iirc so dont worry too much, although check npc market vs contract if you see packs on unreaseached BPO's on contacts, as often times people are trying to off load them for a greater figure than the npc's sell them at!
I'd suggesting concentrating on stuff that would also be useful inhouse in MAADI - guns, ammo, shield/armor mods etc etc
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I'd suggesting concentrating on stuff that would also be useful inhouse in MAADI - guns, ammo, shield/armor mods etc etc
great thanks, ill go shop about for medium proj/hybrid ammo first, dont think we really need module bpo's yet, now that we're not in 0.0 yet
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So it looks they changed how a player corp gains standings:
Sent - 12/30/2008 4:41:00 AM Hi Mangala Solaris,
Thank you for contacting customer support. Please note that new members' (include the founder of the corp) personal standing shall be counted in corp average 7 days after he joins the corp. Since you founded the corp at 12.23 , your corp standing shall appear after today's downtime. No important missions are needed to trigger corp standing update.
Best Regards,
GM Athena
EVE Online Customer Support
I'll see how things are after DT :)
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YES!
Standings are sorted :D
I can start doing actual tower related things in a day or two (having new years in the way isnt a help, so rather than get half way through tower stuff, do it all in one over the weekend).
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(http://www.nma.gov.au/libraries/images/exhibitions/royal_romance/queens_progress/children_cheering_1954/files/3442/A1773_RV660%20-%20Children%20Cheering%201954.jpg)
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(http://www.nma.gov.au/libraries/images/exhibitions/royal_romance/queens_progress/children_cheering_1954/files/3442/A1773_RV660%20-%20Children%20Cheering%201954.jpg)
This is better:
(http://www.dallascowboyscheerleaders.com//images/pht_2006squad.jpg)
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not if you want cheering ppl on the picture :D
(or ppl with brains for that matter)
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Kasei's tower will be up sometime this evening.
Just getting all my stuff together :)