Hands of Justice
What we have played => EVE Online => Topic started by: Mangala on February 04, 2011, 09:16:49 PM
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Command isnt yet ready to share I suppose. Whereas I am ;)
OK, these are the regions for rent:
The ones that seem best to me I added <BC> behind :)
Catch
9KOE-A
36N-HZ
QSM-LM
QBQ-RF
B-3QPD
A-803L
VA6-DR
K0CN-3 Reserved
L7XS-5
Tenefris
3L3N-X
UALX-3
DT-PXH
S4-9DN
Y-ORBJ
6-IAFR
C-FD0D <BC>
S-9RCJ <BC>
ZMV9-A <BC>, ICE
M-4KDB ICE
U2U5-A Reserved
YF-P4X
"Constelation G3IP-E" Reserved
Feythbolis Note
OCU4-R
PO-3QW
Impass Note
Y-JKJ8
IV-UNR
Rental Costs Tables
Space:
| Expense | Amount | Cost P/U | Total Cost | Period |
| Rent to -A- | 2 | 2 BILLION P/System | 4 BILLION | Per Month |
| TCU | 2 | 180 MILLION | 360 MILLION | Per 30 days |
| MilUp | 0 | | | Per 30 days |
| IndUp | 0 | | | Per 30 days |
| Total | 4 | 2.18 BILLION | 4.36 BILLION | |
TCU = Territorial Control Unit
MilUp = Military Upgrades
IndUp = Industrial Upgrades
How the above splits per corp/pilot:
| Cost | Pilots | Rent P/Pilot | Rent P/Corp |
| 4.36 BILLION | 150 | 29,066,666 | 1.09 BILLION |
Cost per corp based on member numbers using 29,066,666 as a guide:
| Corp Name | Ticker | Members | Joined | Rent P/Month |
| New Eden Recon Force | .NERF | 55 | 9/12/09 | 1,598,666,630 |
| Ma'adim Logistics | MAADI | 28 | 10/12/09 | 813,866,648 |
| Bank of Beyond Control | .BBC | 1 | 11/12/09 | 29,066,666 |
| Duolith Systems | DUOS | 13 | 12/12/09 | 377,866,658 |
| Nerfed Banking | NERFB | 1 | 8/01/11 | 29,066,666 |
| Omber Company | OMBE | 52 | 30/01/11 | 1,511,466,632 |
| Total | 6 | 150 | | 4,360,000,000 |
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Tbh, they seem exorbitant - but thats the new system versus the old syetm when you guys lived in Fountain (I'll dig up anything we have on those costs etc as a comparison if folks are interested?), given that Im certain no 1 corp in the alliance will meet these from their current incomes, let alone any perceived iskprinters they may find in 0.0; Excepting maybe us - Hrod does like his towers (just wish youd take a salary!) - but the effort required may burn you out ;)
However I dont know ROCKU & OMBE that well so they could be power houses of 'bears.
Anyways, I posted to have the info to get some opinions.
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should it be based on corp members x per person split of cost, we could cut ours down by kicking lots of chars that havent logged for ages ;)
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I was going to post my notes but for some reason I couldn't get on anything but ts and the game :/
• Tenefris
L3N-X
UALX-3
DT-PXH
S4-9DN
Y-ORBJ
6-IAFR <br>C-FD0D
S-9RCJ
ZMV9-A , ICE
M-4KDB , ICE
U2U5-A Reserved
YF-P4X
"Constelation G3IP-E" Reserved
• Feythbolis Note
OCU4-R
PO-3QW
Impass Note
Y-JKJ8
IV-UNR
• “best”: Racnim Sinedia >
C-FD0D (one jump from hed)
S-9RCJ
ZMV9-A , ICE
• 2bn/system
• ~6,5bn inc tcu 3 systems
• “total” ownership of systems
• No ratting outside of our own system (inc escalation) unless allowed by owners
• Catch
9KOE-A
36N-HZ
QSM-LM
QBQ-RF
B-3QPD
A-803L
VA6-DR
K0CN-3 Reserved
L7XS-5
• Ihub costs?
• Docking rights at all –a- stations
• Refining? Tax? Possible on pos?
• Jump bridge network? No but might be possible to arrange for payment
• Intel channel
• Pvp? Vague “can join fleets with aaa” but didn’t seem certain on it.
• Aaa renter forum? Probably not
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In total 20+1 belts. (on the Best sin thought)
Basically what seems to be standard fee.
Lots of moons. (no data on dotlan...)
-.23 - -.3 sec
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Basically, given that we need to make 6bn per month (+sov costs) there is one way and thats moon humping. These systems could very well be completely barren. Not a single mineable or worthwhile moon.
I've tried to find out and if we ignore all strategic upgrades (no cynojammer or beacon, no supercaps and no jumpbridge) the only cost per month seems to be the TCU.
A lot of discussion went into jumpfreighters and "getting one as an alliance" etc. I'd rather focus on actually making enough to pay the rent rather than thinking a JF is some end all be all of stuff. This was in response to me saying that you in general dont refine stuff in 00 but compress and jump out. This is apart from ice which you can get 100% from a pos. (they didn't want to listen really... "we would probably like to refine there to build ammo etc...")
Looking at the map the three systems sin picked out seem isolated. Or in the middle of a huge blue pile of shit.
Closest enemy will be IT in querious...
So I don't really know. If the space as good moons it could be usable for moon humping. But the likelyhood of aaa renting out space good in that way (I doubt they dont have a 100% accruate moonmap) isn't very high...
So I dont know.
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Does look like shitty moons btw - unless AAA and Goons before them and WN now and Init etc are really good at keeping secrets.
Found this anyways:
http://scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?p=754118#754118
(But whatever you find out about Moons, keep to us, not anyone else ;D)
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I think the vagueness on pvp etc is because he didnt ask. I'll nag him to do so - as its what i want to do out there. 'Bearing isnt me.
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I think the vagueness on pvp etc is because he didnt ask. I'll nag him to do so - as its what i want to do out there. 'Bearing isnt me.
I know he didn't ask, he basically thought a intelchannel was rare for renters and that it was the same as aaa used which also he said meant we could join fleets with them.
This seems a bit unlikely to me though.
As for the moons and thing you posted, yes, its unlikely to have r64s (or tech). But its an old thread. Lots of moons in 00 aren't on dotlan as well people can't be arsed to do it. Remember I found a couple of good moons in Fountain and that was at the time the most represented region in dotlan. So no guarantees about that.
The ZMV system has only been held by aaa and init... and not their renter alliances so that system could ahve some gems possibly. (the ice system)
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A lot of discussion went into jumpfreighters and "getting one as an alliance" etc. I'd rather focus on actually making enough to pay the rent rather than thinking a JF is some end all be all of stuff. This was in response to me saying that you in general dont refine stuff in 00 but compress and jump out. This is apart from ice which you can get 100% from a pos. (they didn't want to listen really... "we would probably like to refine there to build ammo etc...")
In before the JF gets robbed.
Toys like JFs etc are always personal - or occasionally if commies, corp - owned toys, and not something an alliance would hold - as who would hold, who would get to use it and when etc, and as I said - someone would steal (or scram it and open a cyno and get it hotdropped :D) it, too easy to do so.
I do think they should be listening to you more - we (well you folks) did the renter thing for ages in Fountain and even though we had npc stations to help with some of the logistics, you (especially you) know what you are on about when it comes to all of this.
Id suggest letting them do what they think is right out there, and then being all "yes I'll help you fix it for a fee" when it goes horribly wrong - ie misconfigured towers, poorly implemented plans for what those towers do etc.
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The thing on paying the rent gets me too, obviously 6bill is gonna be needed upfront, and im wondering which corps can afford their share right off, and be certain theyd make enough to pay the next months in that time?
I mean I can always bundle a couple of bill into maadis wallet, thats no thing, but I doubt the other corps have a sugar daddy.
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Talked this over with Beth for a bit tonight...
Things that bugged me:
- 4 jumps to nearest station (access???), so similarish to Fountain = living out of a pos mostly - I know one or two folks within MAADI vowed never to do that again.
- Cost is very, very high
- No clue if we can make that amount of isk out of those systems. NERF leadership seems to think this should easily be gotten out of ratting/plexing.
- There is no self sufficient logistics available within BC, bar a few caps.
- NERF/BC really seems to want to rush things. 0.0 by end of the month is what I heard Beth vow. Though they have reasons for wanting to rush things, I think they're overdoing it.
- I think it is underestimated how long it will take to get ppl to come to 0.0 (our Fountain experience in mind)
- Prolly more
Additionally I doubt how much good it will do MAADI to make this leap, as we will no doubt have ppl staying behind, stretching our meager playerbase even more (with all accompanying consequences of even lower activity, etc.) (1), plus MAADI's enthusiasm for being in BC has never been too great (for long) (2), plus the seemingly general skepticism about BC's plans from day 1 by the two most driving players (IMHO) within MAADI (3), plus one of said players still having too much fun in RvB (4), plus the sucking power of a hundred other games that generally seems to have an above average grip on MAADI players (5)
Other than that... 0.0! yay! :P
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should it be based on corp members x per person split of cost, we could cut ours down by kicking lots of chars that havent logged for ages ;)
18 chars logged in in the last month.
20 if we don't kick Aerie/Mellisan, who have been quite active till quite recent (but more than a month apparently).
Still 600M/month, that's about 100M/month for every (truely) active player(!) we still got left. I know I can't cough up 100M/month.
Also, holding on to the Derelik moons while we're in godknowswhere.0 will become a (even bigger) logistic clonejumping nightmare for you know who, so imho need to cut them loose too. Unless you know who is even more masochistic than I thought.
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NERF leadership seems to think this should easily be gotten out of ratting/plexing
This is the fault of exNERFers who moved onto the NC and started bearing isk up there, they made it sound like the streets of 0.0 are full of plexes and npcs worth billions just waiting for people to claim them. Yes, you can get lucky doing that, but theres so much mindless grind in between the big scores - those of you who ratted in Fountain surely can tell them how painful it can be, especially if you need to be watching for roamers and even other renters trying to either kill you or steal your chains etc.
They also dont seem to be thinking about how many from each corp - discounting alts - would actually be moving. In any group there is always going to be the folks who stay in hisec for whatever reason, be it no time to commit to 0.0, they have coveted copy slots in empire they never want to leave, they are traders etc etc So while theres 228 characters, I cant see more than 50-60 real people there, and of that how many would get to 0.0? More importantly for the alliance corps, is how many of those who do, will help out with the logistics of living out there, do the posmonkey work and the jumping of stuff about and what not?
MAADI's enthusiasm for being in BC has never been too great (for long) (2) , plus the seemingly general skepticism about BC's plans from day 1 by the two most driving players (IMHO) within MAADI (3)
I think we are just sceptical, as the majority of us have done 0.0 as renters and what not, and know what to expect out there, yet Sin et al, have this imaginary ideal of it and it shows in this naive eagerness they have to get out to 0.0; I like BC, and the corps in it in so far as I know them, but sometimes they can be a little ignorant about how eve is. Im sure others have.had some issues too - forum access/forum existence etc being one for at least Swuul!
plus one of said players still having too much fun in RvB (4)
I own a disgusting number of rigged ships - last estimate I worked out if I had Red Frog move it all as it is now was 40+ charon loads - just in the RVB areas, and figured while I sort through my shit and wait to see what BC does, Id keep shooting stuff (that and Im one of the few active Blue directors at the mo - hard to find a replacement too out of the current bunch of regulars);
, plus the sucking power of a hundred other games that generally seems to have an above average grip on MAADI players (5)
Magicka is really good! I like that breach too - tried hosting my own server to play it - nicely explodey, but if a few of us get it, then public servers would be more fun - lots more folks; Rift is a nice distraction too for me; Oh and its Rugby season in Real Life as well, so plenty of weekends of me yelling at Scots/Irish/Italians and Frenchmen :D
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plus one of said players still having too much fun in RvB (4)
[snip figured while I sort through my shit and wait to see what BC does, Id keep shooting stuff[/snip]
and rig even more ships prolly :D
for the records though, there was no 'thorn' in point (4), it's just how things stand and you know I've been on the brink of joining RvB / random other pvp-richer corp myself
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The easiness of making isk is exaggerated yes. Which is why initially the amount of belts are very important. I also know for a fact that even at max upgrade (military) you are unlikely to support more than 10 people doing plexes/ratting in any one system. We go with what? 50?
Paying by char, why should I pay for a cynoalt i'm 100% forced to use to actually get shit there? Hmm did he think about that?
If there are decent moons there we can easily pay for it by that however thats a BIG if. There could be a neo moon in there (they seem "common" to tenerifis) but the likelyhood of that well :)
I'd say we try it for a month, if we can easily make the cash there from moonhumping if there are half decent moons. For example running 1 full fernite carbide chain (2 towers) and buying chrom would yield about 800m/month for fairly little work. This ofc means we would have to have 1 scand moon and 1 moon with evaporate deposits+silicates on it. So it is possible with some effort (and from a previous talk with sin I'm fairly sure they aren't that interested in moonhumping...)
As for our other moons, wont leave the ones in derelik. Only the one in GW. (it doesn't bring a profit anyways). I'll leave the blob there and JC to it to fuel it once a month. Not that big a deal really.
So my "vote" would go to try it for one month, if there are easy ways to pay for the rent then well not much problem with it. If it isn't well :) We can have or lose 1bn really.
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I just remembered a few more things.
The outpost sin thinks is going to be possible to dock at. We will see about that though. Otherwise its 8 jumps to the closest one. (don't go storing any caps or expensive ships in either ;) ) 8 jumps isn't that bad really. Some high sec carebears probably think it is but truth be told it isn't.
As for the JF thing yes, thats a personal thing. They were just talking about it since "if we are to pay 6bn in rent then buying a JF isn't that much more blahdibla..."
There are several rorqs in the corps, think it sounded like 4 including mine, but a corp needs to be able to handle their own logistics ofc (i'm sure as hell not going to jump 50 loads of shit around)
2 large towers will require 2 jumps with the rorq when sov is established (25% fuel savings which i forgot to account for in the above post... the profit per month would be very close to 1bn). Of course if Noj becomes active we have a JF (I didn't say anything about that, I have informed sin of the caps we have though).
one more thing, sin is adamant that an ice system is very good since that allows to make our own fuel in system. (disregarding that to mine enough for 1 large tower is well... I think mang knows better than me but I did some calculations on it and it would take ages upon ages upon ages.)
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Made some calculations based on mining.
Assuming a decent hulk mining hed and hemo he can make about 15-16m/h thats with him soloboosting himself and having someone to haul for him.
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Spam spam...
Some more research.
Sins "only 1 jump from hed" is in fact 2 jumps for anything BUT a carrier with calibration at 4. No idea how he was thinking when checking range with ONLY the ship that has the longest base range... (given it has a cargohold the size of a fimble...)
What is a major problem is that there is litterally NO low sec systems in one jump radius from hed so we would be forced to store capitals there AND go there with a normal freighter...
Option to store in a capturable station is to have a ship maint array... Can hold a rorq or normal cap.
Question is... Can we limit access to them enough to prevent the possibility of theft? Still not optimal by far.
New meeting on sunday btw... Probably will want a decision by then.
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Id say try it for a month - see how it goes and what not. We can advise them on logistics etc, and then only do our own ;)
one more thing, sin is adamant that an ice system is very good since that allows to make our own fuel in system. (disregarding that to mine enough for 1 large tower is well... I think mang knows better than me but I did some calculations on it and it would take ages upon ages upon ages.)
To supply a large with 1 months worth of isotopes (and it has to be that tower = ice, so more expense there if people dont already have the relevant towers) takes at least 5 ice miners working several hours a day EVERY day of the week (hell for me to get the fuel for a med for a couple of weeks or so took like 12hrs on my own!), with in 0.0 case Orca backup for both boosts and necessary capacity to haul it between a pos and the belt etc. Would be easier to just buy the fuel and jump it in.
The 6billion can easy increase to 8-10 or even more for the initial month when you factor in the costs of towers, fuel, and all the man hours spent shifting people.
But as said, try a month - I'll float MAADIs first month, so at least we can go in seeing how profitability can be without taking a dip in the old isk reserves first ;)
*On the subject of chars not been on for ages, i'll get to removing roles on a few later, and they'll be gone 24hrs after that - each with a mail explaining ofc. I'll also be dropping Ammiks roles, im moving her to another account anyway (to train more of her hulk skills then sell I think, or retask her into combat, I dont know yet), so thats 1 less char shortly.
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Isn't ammik your rorq pilot as well??
But yes, I think 1 month is enough to see if we can be profitable long term and also in practice see how logistics work out. (we need moonmap for that and neighbouring systems as well...)
I'll tear down the f5 pos as soon as everything is confirmed (could use some help with hauling assembled ships if anyone is willing at that time). We aren't using it and the space there is crowded and useless anyway.
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Isn't ammik your rorq pilot as well??
But yes, I think 1 month is enough to see if we can be profitable long term and also in practice see how logistics work out. (we need moonmap for that and neighbouring systems as well...)
I'll tear down the f5 pos as soon as everything is confirmed (could use some help with hauling assembled ships if anyone is willing at that time). We aren't using it and the space there is crowded and useless anyway.
Na, sold that one, was Thera.
She can be in a couple of weeks though, if necessary.
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A pity :(
Just thought it could be good to have a backup rorq (mostly the ship ;) )
Anyways, no idea but given the relative proximity of highsec (while impossible to jump to...) the market in hed could be decently stocked.
Also, do you have any idea about AAAs previous history of treating renters?
(I'm not so confident in the "total ownership" part tbh)
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As long as you pay they take care of you. They do look out for them - the majority of the russians "care" for renters, more than some do. After all its a big source of income. And given some shelter macros/isk farmers knowingly they do try.
HED's market should be well stocked iirc, its one of the hub southern systems, always has been in so far as Ive been playing 5 years :)
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As long as you pay they take care of you. They do look out for them - the majority of the russians "care" for renters, more than some do. After all its a big source of income.
HED's market should be well stocked iirc, its one of the hub southern systems, always has been in so far as Ive been playing 5 years :)
Hmm, good to know, depending on markup might not be that much of a need to haul fuel halfway across the galaxy...
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I'll take a roam down later in a cloaky and check catchs market if you want?
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At 19 evetime today we have another directors meeting (to make a decission and some other shit). Would be good if Mang and/or saf can attend as well. (I'm going to be there).
If I understand our reasoning we join and pay the ~1bn to start with (then probably have to add in tcu etc but thats no major cash anyways).
As soon as we have standings I'll go down there and probe moons (have a shitload of probes at f5 i'll bring back with the tower), while it isn't "allowed" I'll feign ignorance and probe empty systems as well (meaning the unclaimed ones). Only about 5% of the moons are reported in dotlan so you never know.
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No promises I'll make it, not entirely sure what Im doing from the afternoon onwards - in fact I cant exactly remember why I am up at this time. Should be able to - although wont have anything to say ;)
You know my thoughts anyways - we should give it a go for a month at least, and see if that works on an alliance level.
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Trying to figure out some logistics.
If jumping stuff in/out is needed this is the best route I've found however it all depends on what status Chribbas system in providence has :)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Rorqual,434,S/ZMV9-A:HED-GP:9UY4-H:Faswiba
Ends up in Domain lowsec with direct connection to high sec, 2 jumps in -a- 0.0 both to outposts then to chribba and then to lowsec. Would at least need cynos in the low sec and chribbas system if using linnea in 0.0.
Also thinking about where to store capitals to not have to have them in capturable systems and found that there is one system in stain (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/DSS-EZ) which is in reach and according to Sin we were supposed to be blue with them as renters (damned if I know if that is true...)
Can't reach anything else even with calibration at 5 which is 40 days of training with my current attributes.
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Stainwagon (stain, rol etc) are blue to aaa, have been for a long while.
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Stainwagon (stain, rol etc) are blue to aaa, have been for a long while.
Yes :) but that translate to them being blue to -a- renters?
I know that goons and PL were blue to eachother when we lived in fountain but we sure as hell weren't blue to goons :)
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Well sins original statement of "full and exclusive rights" isn't really full nor exclusive.
Apparantly moon mining is restricted. This in the way that -a- at any time can make a claim and we will have to remove the pos/poses so they can take the resource.
In my opinion this changes a lot.
Basically what it means is that at most we can hope for is to run the lowest reactions using the most common materials, this is the fernite carbide reaction in the case for tenerifis.
This also means they will probably limit other things, cyno generators, cyno jammers whatnot (and despite me asking I suspect they wont allow refineries on poses if anyone would want it...)
He has also "decided" to go down to 2 systems due to cost. So initially the entire alliance will have to live on 16 belts in -0.3 sec.
So, before tonight I'd like some views of this.
As I see it what we can hope for is barely paying the rent by running fernite carbide reactions in order to be allowed to run fernite carbide reaction. Not really what I think sounds fun. The chance of being able to get anything "good" without -a- knowing about it is 0 they have held these systems for a long time and know exactly whats in them. Also the implication of moon limitations is that renters should be removable easily. It would only be a short matter of time before we would be forced into aaac and pay the same without any say in anything.
Quite simply, I'm not sure I can live with those terms. I at least want the opportunity to find something of value in order to use it for our advantage.
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After a cooling down shower having thought about it.
We can still give it a month (not exactly as if any of us are that interested in ratting..) if we are allowed to join proper fleets and shoot real stuff then it could be ok. But proper fleets isn't "local defense against roamers from providence" or "roam for 2h in provi..." (or wherever roamers might come from).
This is for one month and unless we have access to something fun by that time... well I for one won't spend time for no reward.
This ofc means I wont move capitals down there either, too much of a pain. I'll probe the systems and live in khanid highsec or something.
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It is pretty messy on that score - and how he didnt get absolute confirmation properly either on this. Seems Rusrock (or however you spell it) is thinking on your page too. Becomes MUCH harder for anyone moving there to make the isk needed to support the alliance down there, without them burning out. Rus also raised the point that the 6bill initially would be hard to raise (except maadis share as ;D), surely they arent doing this and assuming the isk will just appear for the first month etc?
I know it maybe unlikely they would ask, but simply the fact they can is a bit meh, when you work in the realities of how little isk would be made by folks out there towards the bills its just a kick in the teeth.
I mean im still for a move out there, but with more reservations than I had in the first place! (PS Roaming in provi is shooting real stuff :D).
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I know :) I just mean well you know my aspirations ;) maybe its enough to do that but I want to be able to with reasonable amount of work for us to field GOOD groups and actually get noticed. Being forced to move a pos because some random russian in aaa wants a safe spot pos for ratting in our systems isn't exactly what i think is ok.
(i seriously doubt they will not if they want go there and rat or run plexes or whatnot.)
But as said, 1 month, if we can have enough fun to make it worthwhile then good.
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We will become renters, not part of -a-, which means you prolly shouldnt expect too much of fleeting with them. They're a different alliance and prolly dont care for anything else but our cash. Which means we should depend on ourselves for roams. For which recent experience has shown us that (as last year) participation is crap, plus we might just as well stay in Derelik and roam providence from there.
I just dont see the point in forcibly moving to 0.0 before the end of the month. Neither do I see the point in pooring 1,5B down the drain for 'trying'. That's about the same as buying a providence and leaving it hanging at a gate while you're at war - Fun for others but not so much for yourself.
Anyway, that's how I feel.
Re: the availability of moons, I dont know how much ppl/area -a- got, but they probably only have so much Hrods for so many POS-es. So unless you stumble upon a very lucrative moon, I wouldnt worry too much. Although I dont know much about moons, there must be some middle ground between very lucrative moons and utterly crap moons - moons that are good, but not so shiney that -A- will go through too much trouble.
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Mineral Per Unit Monthly
Cadmium 995 71 640 000
Caesium 1050 75 600 000
Chromium 2130 153 360 000
Cobalt 809 58 248 000
Dysprosium 9790 704 880 000
Hafnium 1215 87 480 000
Mercury 6749 485 928 000
Promethium 8880 639 360 000
Platinum 2784 200 448 000
Neodymium 37490 2 699 280 000
Scandium 2226 160 272 000
Technetium 75986 5 470 992 000
Thulium 1387 99 864 000
Titanium 738 53 136 000
Tungsten 370 26 640 000
Vanadium 4819 346 968 000
red=doesn't exist in tenerifis
orange=exists in limited quantities (below 0-4 reported)
green=decent moons existing in decent quantities in tenerifis 5+ of the 5% reported
pink=super goon existing in good quantities (14 of 5% reported)
(i've removed the gases as they are common everywhere)
So what exists are Scandium, cadmium and hafnium. Anything green and pink will be demanded by the
overlords.
1 large tower costs about 280m/month without jump costs.
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I understand what you mean by staying in derelik.
But who should we roam with?
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I think hrod was using provi as an example of roam/people likely to roam -a- space (since -a- have no control over the provifightclub now, it stands to reasons its locals may roam down, when they aint shooting themselves which the proviblock does like to do.
Obviously, Sin was crap in any sort of note taking/getting questions upfront from the other corps/getting people involved in the negotiations, so most of the info WE want, isnt really available as he didnt focus on it much, just on how much, and how many; As the info we have had literally just focused on bearing it up down there, which i think the 0.0 lobby Sin is working on behalf off was wanting to do, rather than anything actually productive.
Edit: I feel he rushed on this due to having an idea his corp wouldnt last/survive it not happening, which he extrapolated out to BC as a while. Not having the forum (no idea if its still there as I havent been able to remember either of my logins anyway) to ask questions/pose them for him to ask/give advice on what is best for renters to find, really hasnt helped anyone bar those who Sin is seeking to appease with ratting space.
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I understand what you mean by staying in derelik.
But who should we roam with?
Well, that's part of my point really. If roaming with -A- turns out to be something we cant do (for whatever reason), what have we got left?
In that line of thought (and others prolly) renting is just not the way to go and MAADI's vision might need to be redirected to what Hrod's been looking into recently: joining another alliance.
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I thing that meeting went better than it would have had us MAADI(ish) folks not been there.
I did feel at times that Sin and magnus were trying to say so much to keep us shut up, but didnt really work.
Long and short of it is, we are going, although maadi - just amongst ourselves - will assess this on a month by month basis, while looking at other options, one of which I will post seperatly on this week.
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I thing that meeting went better than it would have had us MAADI(ish) folks not been there.
I did feel at times that Sin and magnus were trying to say so much to keep us shut up, but didnt really work.
Yeah, I could easily pull out a social psychology book out of the bookcase and point out a thing or two that is going wrong in 'their' decision taking.
But as Jon said, it's only isk. (and Jon's isk on top of that ;))
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CTA called to place the ctu, 18:30 on friday.
I'm not going to be there as I'm going to my dads for the weekend.
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And then an idiot starts blabering about there being an incursion in the route...
When i answer I get the CSPA charge... Who in their right mind that isn't a complete noob has that on???
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I wonder how 'they' (we) intend to defend it. It wasnt discussed at all...
Would be nice if there were some watchamacallit deathspike/doomsday/whatever pos-es in the area beforehand.
*shrugs*
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I agree with you there Saf, although the TCU and poses cant be anchored on the same moon, should the TCU be anchored on a moon (it can be done anywhere in system and is shown as a beacon in system once its up). Takes SBU's disrupting sov for the TCU to become attackable though.
Having a pos up - deathstar - would help for holding staging ships should someone come in with SBU's though - cant see that happening till -A- fail again though ;)
Re: mail over the invasion. I weighed in via Angaraka - and also asked Sin for clarification of what ships his CTA needs, and said why such clarification is needed :D
Dont linger on gates then. Scout gets you a 150KM + warp in on each gate, or even better off grid spy tacs for a gate. Then you warp there, then scout goes through each gate.
Obviously should these rats be on the "in" gates then, move together as a unit, dont all go paniccy and warp off or whatever before your FC calls it. If the FC makes a decision to engage then FOCUS fire, dont go all solo l4 hero on people.
Sin - re the CTA, what ship types, whats the max size of vessel etc, ideal ranges you want to work at when escorting/.guarding the TCU while its onlined?
Your CTA announcement missed off these rather important details, as otherwise you'll end up with a rag tag gang of ships that dont complement each other at all and potentially cheap small stuff as people wont bring what they cant afford to lose.
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Re: bookmarks: I planned to take an inty out and make what I call travel-bookmarks from hisec to destination, both ways. These will be - as you already pointed out - offgrid bookmarks, ~500km from the gate. These are good for scouting before warping to the outgate, but also to sail free from dragbubbles AND offer short warpins to the gate as to make situations like ["next system is clear" - "everyone warp to outgate" - "next system is spiking!" - "crap! we are already in (a 150AU) warp!" - *bogies had a shorter warp - wipeout*] less likely, which is especially likely with slow-alligning and slow-warpspeed vessels like the one that will need to sail in TCUs and IHs.
This danger can partially be negated by using 3 scouts (+2, +1 and -1), but this will only be 100% failproof in pipes.
But anyway - in short: I'll be making such bookmarks.
One other thing: I think a corp-office near closest hisec sys will be nice.
And what is the idea about all corp-assets that we now have in Derelik? (Partially) move them to said new office, or? No clue how much assets we got, but with Mang having 1000 shares in RF this is not so much of an issue. What might be an issue though is unpacking and packing everything (or can we leave everything in it's boxes? - we got a shitload of stuff packed in named containers, and I'm afraid they're station containers)
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Re: mail over the invasion.
Silly question, but can't we go around? At work now, so won't be able to check before tonight.
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havent had a look ingame which systems it is yet, but will do later today - and tbh the incursion might be gone by friday, it could be on the downswing of its spawn period, the mailer gave very little info tbh - id hate to be relying on them for intel.
Re corp assets, keep them were they are. I dont want us to fully commit just to have it go horribly wrong - we committed a lot to Fountain and that was alot of effort to shift, we learned that lessen once :)
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When will you guys learn that being a "pet" (hate that term) isnt worth the isk investment, big alliances dont give a shit beyond getting their monthly cash for doing fuck all.
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When will you guys learn that being a "pet" (hate that term) isnt worth the isk investment, big alliances dont give a shit beyond getting their monthly cash for doing fuck all.
Not so much us, as the rest of the alliance. Its also why I stuck the isk down on MAADI's behalf, im happy to waste my isk rather than let the corp waste theirs.
Hrod has been trying to get maadi into proper alliances - but no go really as we are pretty small, active when other games dont grab our attention and what not. Also its why I dont want to commit to a full move of all our shit, do this a month by month basis and see how awful it gets, while looking at other options for the maadi actives and their alts etc.
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Re corp assets, keep them were they are. I dont want us to fully commit just to have it go horribly wrong - we committed a lot to Fountain and that was alot of effort to shift, we learned that lessen once :)
Well if packing/unpacking is either unneccesary or not much of an effort it could be worth it, if only just partially (some ships, modules and BPCs or whatever). Especially because it will be a hisec-hisec move and we can just get RF to move it.
I'd hate it when individuals having to move stuff from Derelik to Tenerifis (vs Khanid - Tenerifis) would be an (/the) issue of them not enjoying their stay in Tenerifis. There is a difference between keeping the effort of living there to a minimum vs. no effort at all.
I would be happy to organize the logistics of moving (some) corp stuff by RF - to Khanid, if I get your (i.e. corp) approval and maybe some pointers e.g. on how to contact RF and what you would like moved.
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When will you guys learn that being a "pet" (hate that term) isnt worth the isk investment, big alliances dont give a shit beyond getting their monthly cash for doing fuck all.
Hmmyeah... We could also just stay where we are, get ourselves bored to death by staying in hisec and have our characters sold. :P
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How did I not pick up on hisec-hisec when im obsessed with RF.
RF: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=763167 (forgot they had a eveo thread). Pretty much explains it all.
Send a corp mail asking for builders to stick a few of whatever we have sufficient mats for into build also - few more bcs and such?
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Hmm, all BPO's are locked by vote, right? So rig-BPOs will be hard to move? (We dont have BPCs of many of them)
(Oh and while I'm at rig-BPOs... I noticed we are missing quite a few of them in Derelik while, if memory serves, we had a full set of S/M&L. Are some still in the pipe Anttiri->Kasrasi? If so, relay pipe to office-to-be in Khanid?)
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Think everything except the expensive stuff ammik has on her is in Kasrasi now - just not all sorted out from when hrod moved stuff when I mothballed kasei iirc.
re locked bpos. we'll unlock the rig ones, but not the rest. as im not doing more votes if they got moved for whatever reason. (Lots of votes is effort.)
Also iric the rig bpc's we do have are for silly amounts of rigs, so may be worth totally up the runs we have per rig type by bpc and then unlocking those we dont really have much of?
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Think everything except the expensive stuff ammik has on her is in Kasrasi now - just not all sorted out from when hrod moved stuff when I mothballed kasei iirc.
re locked bpos. we'll unlock the rig ones, but not the rest. as im not doing more votes if they got moved for whatever reason. (Lots of votes is effort.)
Also iric the rig bpc's we do have are for silly amounts of rigs, so may be worth totally up the runs we have per rig type by bpc and then unlocking those we dont really have much of?
Ok, I'll have another go at trying to locate those BPOs. Last time was a fortnight ago, give or take...
And it might be me, or it might be you, but I have no clue what you are trying to say in your last sentence.
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Basically, rig bpcs have lots of runs on them, so it wont be worth unlocking the ones we have lots of runs for (ie if we have 5 or 6 bpcs then we have a good few hundred runs at least), if we have 1 bpc then unlocking its bpo would help.
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Think everything except the expensive stuff ammik has on her is in Kasrasi now - just not all sorted out from when hrod moved stuff when I mothballed kasei iirc.
re locked bpos. we'll unlock the rig ones, but not the rest. as im not doing more votes if they got moved for whatever reason. (Lots of votes is effort.)
Also iric the rig bpc's we do have are for silly amounts of rigs, so may be worth totally up the runs we have per rig type by bpc and then unlocking those we dont really have much of?
Ok, I'll have another go at trying to locate those BPOs. Last time was a fortnight ago, give or take...
And it might be me, or it might be you, but I have no clue what you are trying to say in your last sentence.
id go with replacing "totally" in last sentence with totalling, and "much of" with "many runs for".
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Infact, seeing garrys post.
Im not actually sure what I wrote there. :(
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Just eve hqd. I know were some of the rig bpc's went. Mang has them - I built some using mangs shitty skills when i was first heading over to RVBland, and just kept them ever since. Smalls mainly on logging to check.
I'll sort out Ammik to collect them as she swings back to kas or whever in Khanid later this week.
Edit: We had a whole set of large in bpc as well as bpo didnt we too?
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Re Khanid space and Chamemi as a jump out system:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Chamemi/kills
Its IT's current jump IN system for evaccing shit out of Querious and Delve...
Which basically means its a big red ball of death.
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err. to get into tenerifis via normal methods, I have tto go via a WN system in catch as its the ONLY way into tenerifis from catch? This is silly.
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Also iric the rig bpc's we do have are for silly amounts of rigs, so may be worth totally up the runs we have per rig type by bpc and then unlocking those we dont really have much of?
Also iirc the rig bpc's we do have are for silly amounts of rigs, so it may be worth it to look up to the runs we have per rig type by bpc and then unlocking those we dont really have much of.
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Is my go at it, now I know where you were going at.
But as reply to that: What will be more effort?:
- Looking up the amount of BPCs we have of each rig and then unlocking only those BPOs we have little BPCs of while keeping the others locked.
- Just blindly unlocking all rigs, even though it might be 20% more.
I think the (lack of) complexity of each option gives you the answer.
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err. to get into tenerifis via normal methods, I have tto go via a WN system in catch as its the ONLY way into tenerifis from catch? This is silly.
WN is bad? shortest route goes through 2 WN (had to look it up: White Noise alliance) systems actually
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Not bad as much as will be sure to generate tears from some of the alliance folks that dont want to shooty shooty and having to pass through space that is neutral to us will cause tears to happen.
Im not really expressing myself well at all today it seems anywhere and in anyway. Totally inarticulate today.
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Not bad as much as will be sure to generate tears from some of the alliance folks that dont want to shooty shooty and having to pass through space that is neutral to us will cause tears to happen.
Im not really expressing myself well at all today it seems anywhere and in anyway. Totally inarticulate today.
Meh, expect them to be blue'd up asap by Sin ;)
And me not getting you right away could also mean my 'getter' isnt working properly today.
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I have another question - mainly for Hrod.
What about keeping jumping stuff to HED-GP and then going the 1 jump to C-FD0D from there? Also handy as it is a station the alliance will be able to use (Blue to -A- etc)?
Looking at jumping from Derelik its like 2 jumps to get to HED.
Wait, what if its cyno jammed.
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Not bad as much as will be sure to generate tears from some of the alliance folks that dont want to shooty shooty and having to pass through space that is neutral to us will cause tears to happen.
Im not really expressing myself well at all today it seems anywhere and in anyway. Totally inarticulate today.
Meh, expect them to be blue'd up asap by Sin ;)
True - he did mention doing that in an alliance mail/mail that included mangala and I poohpoohed it, but never got a response.
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Chamemi doesn't work. 5 jumps to hed...
Its 2 jumps from hed to c-f.
The incursion area is in catch, EM-L3K (according to the mail) unless taking stupid detours we wont pass it.
TCUs and DS can be at the same moon. A TCU just needs to be X amount of distance from nearest object, so the "common" way to do it is to anchor a DS THEN anchor the TCU.
I'm going to dismantle the DS in f5 and bring parts of to set up, I wont set up a full ds as quite frankly if someone comes with dread/caps/huge bs fleets its dead anyways unless -a- helps.
Basically I want a safe and by us controlled jump in.
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Incursion is leaving it says, so guess incursions only stay for so and so long, even if noone does anything.
On an even brighter note: failcascade has already begun: HRU has left BC, apparently without giving any forward notice (or none at all, still finding that out). :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Incursion is leaving it says, so guess incursions only stay for so and so long, even if noone does anything.
On an even brighter note: failcascade has already begun: HRU has left BC, apparently without giving any forward notice (or none at all, still finding that out). :D :D :D :D :D :D
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lol
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talk i had with a HRU manager, not really fruitful, but keeping the contact alive I guess
Shadowlord Falnuii Hi
Safran Foer hey
Safran Foer sorry, dropped afk for a bit
Safran Foer wondered why HRU left BC
Shadowlord Falnuii Just catching up with mails now - it looks like the move to 0.0 - been on holiday last week so l;ots to catch up on bear with me
Safran Foer ah ok, no rush
Safran Foer had a good holiday?
Shadowlord Falnuii yeah
Shadowlord Falnuii ok - here is a mail - we cant afford the price as many of our members are new as we are advertising as a learning corp. We have a few people who are interested in PVP but not many most are mining/industry
Safran Foer hmm, well it came kind of as a surprise to the rest of us
Safran Foer even ceo's from various corps like me and magnus
Shadowlord Falnuii heh - i didnt know we left till now :p
Safran Foer i thought you guys joined bc mostly as an opportunity to move to 0.0?
Safran Foer and yeah it was kind of a rushrush decision as the oportunity presented itself now
Shadowlord Falnuii I have to speak to our CEO about it - I know we want to go 0.0 eventually - thing is the corp split almost all the experianced people went to 0.0 with HARM
Safran Foer ahh ok...
Shadowlord Falnuii so we are trying to recoup the lost people and grow experience again - heck im classed as one of the more experienced and i am only 8mil skill points
Safran Foer heh, ok
Shadowlord Falnuii so I think it was nothing to do with the alliance - just I think we are not quite ready yet to 0.0 - we were only starting to look at training mining in losec with some of the pvp interested guys as protection
Safran Foer well it's a bit annoying that we didnt get word from you guys, and not even showed up on our last CEO meeting, where lots was decided, even though we asked your CEO several times if i understood right
Safran Foer i understand your guys' position, but it would have been nice if you would have communicated that at some point, as it has been clear for about 2 weeks or so that NERF wanted to move in the near near future
Shadowlord Falnuii (I know losec can be more dangerous than 0.0 :p) but still its a progression. I think I was invited as i logged in on Sunday to update my skill queue had to appologise then... I dont know why Xutel didnt go - he always seemed quite keen to attend
Safran Foer hmm
Safran Foer well done's done i guess
Shadowlord Falnuii I can see that it would be really annoying and can only appologise - speccially as you looked to have made some calculations with us in mind
Safran Foer but maybe your CEO mailed Sin (NERF CEO) about it all, I only just noticed you guys left us and noone know why
Safran Foer but yeah, I understand you cant help it having been away the last week or so, so I'll just practice patience and acceptance :)
Shadowlord Falnuii hes not on so cant ask :(
Safran Foer no worries mate
Shadowlord Falnuii hah thanks
Safran Foer but anyway, too bad you guys decided to leave, keep in touch etc :)
Safran Foer maybe when time is ripe and any wounds that may be are healed ( :) ) you can join us after all
Shadowlord Falnuii yeah will do - who knows if we suddenly get all our members pvp experienced we could get a system next to you and watch your back...
Safran Foer best way to get them pvp experienced is joining us
Safran Foer and if it's just isk that is an issue, there might be a fix (i talk way out of place here, but if you guys dont discuss with us that it is an issue, no solutions are found either)
Shadowlord Falnuii I will pass the pvp thing on - I really need to have word with Xut to see all the issues/points why we left. But hopefully I will remain in touch with everyone (or they with me)
Safran Foer keep hanging around in NERF channel and you'll be alright I guess
Safran Foer not everyone's there, but some
Shadowlord Falnuii will do - and if something drastic changes - I have the names of the people to mail anyway
Safran Foer cool :)
Safran Foer have to go fix some diner now
wish you all the best - either in- or outside BC anyway
Safran Foer fly safe etc. :)
Shadowlord Falnuii and you :)
Safran Foer cya
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I can see his pov, but obviously he isnt entirely sure himself as to the entire reasons.
But at that the same time, I remember some low sp guys moving to Fountain ;)
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The "low SP" thing is a pure scapegoat.
It isn't exactly SP that decides how things go, especially for miners...
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Anyways, I've started to take down the pos in f5. Way to much of a hassle to keep it up and plat isn't worth what it used to be anyway.
Will do it over time this week and on sunday afternoon. If anyone is available I'd appreciate the help hauling back ships to kasrasi ;) otherwise I'll ditch most of them and just get my cov ops and bs back (and all the industrials etc as they can be jumped back by me)
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New best route :)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Rorqual,434,S/Hothomouh:KW-I6T:C-FD0D
Starts in derelik so close to us :) 2-3 different starting points possible.
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cassiopeia is now +5 and we have docking rights.
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I can see his pov, but obviously he isnt entirely sure himself as to the entire reasons.
But at that the same time, I remember some low sp guys moving to Fountain ;)
Those low sp guys didnt have to pay up 1B/m iirc
So meh, what I just dont understand is there was no communication at all, it seems.
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post this here for now, going to link it to sin etc later
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1006/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report.pdf
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post this here for now, going to link it to sin etc later
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1006/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report.pdf
I am very ashamed to say I understood every word of that.
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post this here for now, going to link it to sin etc later
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1006/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report.pdf
good read
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That was way more information about null sec mining than I ever wanted to know. My brain hurts now.
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It appears there are a TCU and an IHub floating in one of our new systems, so that saves us some hauling when we are able to unanchor them
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It appears there are a TCU and an IHub floating in one of our new systems, so that saves us some hauling when we are able to unanchor them
Nice ;)
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0.0 Information
From: Racnim Sinedia
Sent: 2011.02.09 09:55
To: Beyond-Control,
Hello all,
I just have gotten notice that there is too much intel coming and poeple seem to lose track. So here a small message on the details:
- Our systems are: C-FD0D (seafood) and S-9RCJ
- Systems are in Tenerifis: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Tenerifis/CL-QB2
- The best access route is from Kheberz (high sec in Khanid) to HED-GP (-A- space in Catch)
- The closest station is in Agil (high sec in Khanid)
- CAP Jump route: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Chimera,444,S/Hothomouh:KW-I6T:C-FD0D
- Jump route in .0 completely through blue space
- No cyno's in place yet!
- We are allowed to use every -A- outpost
- The closes -A- outpost is in GJ0-OJ (about 7 jumps from seafood)
- We are also allowed to use the outpost belonging to S1.
- S1. is not an -A- renter, we are blue with them though.
- This outpost has docking fees!
- it is about 4 jumps from seafood.
- We want to get the TCU's up as soon as possible:
- We are considering 2 options: friday in a CTA or sunday in a CTA
- However it seems some poeple left in such a hurry that they left us some goodies in the system... it is thus possible we have the TCU's up earlier and that there will be no CTA.
- I am still working on getting the needed blue standings all around, the most important ones to be able to move in I got!
- Hard Rock University left us, so we are with one corp less.
- We are negotiating with another corporation that we know from the past (blue standings atm). They seem eager, but are in the middle of a merger that needs to be concluded first.
I must have missed sooo much... but this is some info in a clear list :)
Greetings,
Racnim Sinedia
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Re: office near Keberz:
I checked out a few hisec stations near Keberz (only looked at stations that had refinery and factory minimum).
The first one: Ipref: 14M/m (4 jumps from Keberz, pro: there is another station in sys with cloning facility)
Thought that was bit much, so looked further:
Parses: 281M/m OOPSKKBAI
I could also rent an office in Kihtaled, it's 5 jumps, but only 2M/m and got cloning stations in system
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Ipref (2 jumps) and Kihtaled (1 jump) are also close to Khanid Prime (12M/m, 6 jumps to Keberz). KP has it all in one staion: refining (although 30%, but other (50%) stations in system, factory, cloning and research (all 4 of em (invention, copy, ME, PE))).
Other station in KP with (50%) refinery and factory is about 1M/m and we can lock down BPOs there and research in other station from that station, yeah? Would be a good option then, although it's 6 jumps from Keberz
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What do you guys think?
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Kihtaled gets my vote for being comparatively cheap and so close.
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See edit in my last post
I think I'd prefer the cheaper station in KP, with access to research in the other station IIRC although 1 jump more
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See edit in my last post
I think I'd prefer the cheaper station in KP, with access to research in the other station IIRC although 1 jump more
Go for Khanid Prime instead - and yeah will be ok to remotely use BP's between stations there.
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We now rent an office at Khanid Prime VII - Moon 2 - Khanid Works Shipyard for 1.3M/month.
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What do you guys think?
I think toasted cheese with Worcester sauce and a lovely hot cup of tea is awesome.
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What do you guys think?
I think toasted cheese with Worcester sauce and a lovely hot cup of tea is awesome.
Na. Smoked bacon, gouda, dijon mustard on brown. And tea ofc.
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It appears there are a TCU and an IHub floating in one of our new systems, so that saves us some hauling when we are able to unanchor them
Just had a thought on this - since it seems most of the standings are up and done - why doesnt a NERFer go down and online the TCu at least?
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there is/was a NERF-er there, but what I heard was that they want to protect it while it's going online or something
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there is/was a NERF-er there, but what I heard was that they want to protect it while it's going online or something
8hrs... thats harsh.
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?[ 2011.02.09 09:31:40 ] Mirelle Avalon > oi
?[ 2011.02.09 09:31:53 ] Mirelle Avalon > we hit a jackpot :P
?[ 2011.02.09 09:31:58 ] Safran Foer > did we?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:32:02 ] Mirelle Avalon > yep
?[ 2011.02.09 09:32:07 ] Safran Foer > tell me
?[ 2011.02.09 09:32:13 ] Mirelle Avalon > you up for some offline POS bashing?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:32:26 ] Safran Foer > uhm...
?[ 2011.02.09 09:32:31 ] Safran Foer > why?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:32:35 ] Mirelle Avalon > and stealing all mods, including JB
?[ 2011.02.09 09:32:48 ] Mirelle Avalon > its floating in our syst :P
?[ 2011.02.09 09:32:52 ] Safran Foer > pos bashing aint my biggest hobby
?[ 2011.02.09 09:32:57 ] Mirelle Avalon > as is a I-HUB
?[ 2011.02.09 09:33:08 ] Safran Foer > dont you guys have dreads for that?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:33:12 ] Safran Foer > nice
?[ 2011.02.09 09:33:16 ] Mirelle Avalon > nope :(
?[ 2011.02.09 09:33:46 ] Safran Foer > what do you mean with 'our sys'? 0.0 or pain?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:33:47 ] Mirelle Avalon > looks like they left head over heels :P
?[ 2011.02.09 09:33:52 ] Racnim Sinedia > 0.0
?[ 2011.02.09 09:33:53 ] Mirelle Avalon > .0 ofc
?[ 2011.02.09 09:33:59 ] Racnim Sinedia > we already left pain
?[ 2011.02.09 09:34:00 ] Mirelle Avalon > who cares for pain :P
?[ 2011.02.09 09:34:07 ] Safran Foer > well you never know how stupid ppl can be
?[ 2011.02.09 09:34:10 ] Racnim Sinedia > ages ago (was about 30 mins ago done) :)
?[ 2011.02.09 09:34:16 ] Safran Foer > ur already there then?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:34:24 ] Safran Foer > cool
?[ 2011.02.09 09:34:35 ] Mirelle Avalon > mir is floatin there in a drake yes
?[ 2011.02.09 09:34:38 ] Safran Foer > already made travel bookmarks from keberz->there
?[ 2011.02.09 09:34:44 ] Safran Foer > ?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:34:49 ] Mirelle Avalon > nope
?[ 2011.02.09 09:35:01 ] Safran Foer > well it will safe us some difficult hauls, which is nice\]
?[ 2011.02.09 09:35:20 ] Safran Foer > my enter-key is too small
?[ 2011.02.09 09:35:41 ] Mirelle Avalon > gonna try to get out first TCU in there now if it isnt too camped
?[ 2011.02.09 09:35:59 ] Sporkerious Genesis > if the maths is correct if you have jump calibration V you can jump from HED-GP to C-FDOD in one jump in a carrier
?[ 2011.02.09 09:36:04 ] Safran Foer > Anyway, I was heading out there in a 'ceptor to make travel bookmarks both ways
?[ 2011.02.09 09:36:21 ] Mirelle Avalon > rlly spork?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:36:29 ] Safran Foer > there was something wrong with HED, dunno what, I'm not interested in caps
?[ 2011.02.09 09:36:29 ] Mirelle Avalon > that may be interesting
?[ 2011.02.09 09:36:37 ] Sporkerious Genesis > its what Eve HQ is telling me
?[ 2011.02.09 09:37:18 ] Mirelle Avalon > if we can buy carriers in hed :P
?[ 2011.02.09 09:37:30 ] Sporkerious Genesis > just jump them there
?[ 2011.02.09 09:37:34 ] Sporkerious Genesis > and dock in station
?[ 2011.02.09 09:38:53 ] Mirelle Avalon > less then 1H till i have to go :(
?[ 2011.02.09 09:39:24 ] Racnim Sinedia > jump route from low sec spork
?[ 2011.02.09 09:39:24 ] Safran Foer > those things have been there for a while, and they will be for a few days longer i guess
?[ 2011.02.09 09:39:25 ] Racnim Sinedia > http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Chimera,444,S/Hothomouh:KW-I6T:C-FD0D
?[ 2011.02.09 09:39:58 ] Mirelle Avalon > true
?[ 2011.02.09 09:40:14 ] Mirelle Avalon > still, i'd like to get TCU up
?[ 2011.02.09 09:41:00 ] Fan Weilin > when's the move-out op?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:41:23 ] Fan Weilin > between the backstabbing, betrayals, and general excitement, I've lost track of a lot of thigns
?[ 2011.02.09 09:41:29 ] Mirelle Avalon > :P
?[ 2011.02.09 09:42:21 ] Racnim Sinedia > I'll try to make a good mail asap fan
?[ 2011.02.09 09:42:24 ] Sporkerious Genesis > Sigh, I can't get into high sec due to the gate being bloody well bubbled
?[ 2011.02.09 09:42:27 ] Racnim Sinedia > kinda busy atm though :)
?[ 2011.02.09 09:42:49 ] Mirelle Avalon > blue buble?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:42:59 ] Mirelle Avalon > bubble*
?[ 2011.02.09 09:43:00 ] Fan Weilin > lol, yeah.....its mainly cause your guys's tz is conflicting with my tz :S
?[ 2011.02.09 09:43:04 ] Sporkerious Genesis > yeah, but neuts to us that jump through gate
?[ 2011.02.09 09:43:19 ] Mirelle Avalon > :P
?[ 2011.02.09 09:43:47 ] Mirelle Avalon > drat, i missed you there saf :P
?[ 2011.02.09 09:45:15 ] Safran Foer > you know it's very inpolite not to wave back to someone, yeah?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:45:31 ] Mirelle Avalon > /emote shrugs
?[ 2011.02.09 09:45:35 ] Safran Foer > hahah
?[ 2011.02.09 09:48:23 ] Sporkerious Genesis > saf you heading to HED-GP now?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:49:50 ] Mirelle Avalon > woot, 2 1.4m BS's
?[ 2011.02.09 09:50:01 ] Mirelle Avalon > + domination cruiser
?[ 2011.02.09 09:50:16 ] Sha'k > nice
?[ 2011.02.09 09:50:27 ] Safran Foer > not straight away spork
?[ 2011.02.09 09:51:12 ] Sporkerious Genesis > never mind I managed to get back into high sec :D
?[ 2011.02.09 09:51:22 ] Sporkerious Genesis > bloody bubbles
?[ 2011.02.09 09:51:46 ] Safran Foer > kk
?[ 2011.02.09 09:51:58 ] Mirelle Avalon > 1000 Domination Carbonized Lead M Domination Brass Tag Low-grade Halo Beta
?[ 2011.02.09 09:52:25 ] Fan Weilin > nice drop
?[ 2011.02.09 09:52:37 ] Mirelle Avalon > whats the implant worth?
?[ 2011.02.09 09:52:37 ] Sporkerious Genesis > :(
?[ 2011.02.09 09:52:59 ] Safran Foer > it's a +2, dont expect too much
?[ 2011.02.09 09:53:03 ] Sha'k > sells for 15 in Motsu
?[ 2011.02.09 09:53:10 ] Sporkerious Genesis > o/ Saf
?[ 2011.02.09 09:53:23 ] Mirelle Avalon > 15m eh, decent
?[ 2011.02.09 09:53:25 ] Safran Foer > bah too late
?[ 2011.02.09 09:53:32 ] Mirelle Avalon > haha
?[ 2011.02.09 09:53:36 ] Safran Foer > now i waved in the next sys :S
?[ 2011.02.09 09:53:41 ] Sporkerious Genesis > haha
?[ 2011.02.09 09:54:31 ] Sporkerious Genesis > make a nice BM off grid above the HED-GP gate then bubbles won't piss me off :)
?[ 2011.02.09 09:54:57 ] Sha'k > eww... Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
?[ 2011.02.09 09:55:03 ] Sha'k > but it still hurts the same
?[ 2011.02.09 09:55:17 ] Mirelle Avalon > lol
?[ 2011.02.09 09:55:38 ] Racnim Sinedia > kk some info on mail
?[ 2011.02.09 09:59:53 ] Sporkerious Genesis > Sin you sure about the station charge from S1 (the station in KW-OAM)? Not got anything shown my log
?[ 2011.02.09 10:01:26 ] Racnim Sinedia > yeah I am sure about that station
?[ 2011.02.09 10:01:39 ] Racnim Sinedia > they said they where planning to remove it... maybe they already did
?[ 2011.02.09 10:01:41 ] Racnim Sinedia > dunno
?[ 2011.02.09 10:01:49 ] Racnim Sinedia > the docking fee I mean :)
?[ 2011.02.09 10:02:21 ] Sha'k > hmm... if I can get my Thanatos built in HED-GP, I can jump it straight to C-F00D, don't even need Jump Drive Calibration to 5 :)
?[ 2011.02.09 10:02:32 ] Sha'k > so thats gotta be the plan for when I move there
?[ 2011.02.09 10:02:34 ] Sporkerious Genesis > Yeah, I haven't been charged yet so I guess it has been removed already
?[ 2011.02.09 10:02:58 ] Racnim Sinedia > kk :)
?[ 2011.02.09 10:03:19 ] Sporkerious Genesis > Sha'k you would to jump directly to the S1 station
?[ 2011.02.09 10:03:38 ] Safran Foer > 1 jump from HED to CFOOD with jump cal 4??
?[ 2011.02.09 10:03:49 ] Racnim Sinedia > with cal 5 I believe
?[ 2011.02.09 10:03:56 ] Sha'k > yeah, it says 13LY is the max range
?[ 2011.02.09 10:04:08 ] Mirelle Avalon > so why not go that route?
?[ 2011.02.09 10:04:29 ] Racnim Sinedia > because we need a route from empire
?[ 2011.02.09 10:04:34 ] Racnim Sinedia > not from 0.0 to 0.0
?[ 2011.02.09 10:04:56 ] Racnim Sinedia > and hed may look close to empire... but its not doable in 1 jump :)
?[ 2011.02.09 10:05:02 ] Sha'k > and its 12.644 From HED to C-F00D
?[ 2011.02.09 10:05:32 ] Mirelle Avalon > yeh, but you cant take the cap to empire anyway :P
?[ 2011.02.09 10:06:02 ] Sporkerious Genesis > I am sure cap pilots will move there ships through low sec to HED-GP
?[ 2011.02.09 10:06:09 ] Sha'k > and HED is only 1 jump from Kebez
?[ 2011.02.09 10:06:42 ] Sha'k > for anything that needs bringing from empire
?[ 2011.02.09 10:08:50 ] Racnim Sinedia > spork... thats what I said: it is impossible to move your ship from low sec to HED
?[ 2011.02.09 10:09:05 ] Racnim Sinedia > it is only usefull as a supply routew
?[ 2011.02.09 10:10:07 ] Racnim Sinedia > AFK
?[ 2011.02.09 10:12:01 ] Sha'k > right, I'm off, c ya after DT
?[ 2011.02.09 10:13:16 ] Safran Foer > bb
?[ 2011.02.09 10:14:33 ] Sporkerious Genesis > You can jump from low sec to HED-GP, just dunno what those systems would be like
?[ 2011.02.09 10:15:37 ] Sporkerious Genesis > Misaba would be a good example that can get you to HED-GP
?[ 2011.02.09 10:17:21 ] Sporkerious Genesis > Has a station and everything to dock up and be safe
?[ 2011.02.09 10:18:16 ] Racnim Sinedia > I checked and it can indeed... though I wouldn't know why to take that route over the other
?[ 2011.02.09 10:18:33 ] Mirelle Avalon > for the others, no
?[ 2011.02.09 10:18:48 ] Sporkerious Genesis > just giving an example that it could be done :)
?[ 2011.02.09 10:18:53 ] Mirelle Avalon > but you dont have a carrier yet, you may as well buy it in HED
?[ 2011.02.09 10:20:00 ] Racnim Sinedia > haha... if they have a cheap one :)
?[ 2011.02.09 10:20:09 ] Sporkerious Genesis > Don't have any for sale
?[ 2011.02.09 10:20:11 ] Racnim Sinedia > I got jump cal 5... I can make biiiiggg jumps :)
?[ 2011.02.09 10:20:20 ] Mirelle Avalon > bugger "{
?[ 2011.02.09 10:20:22 ] Racnim Sinedia > I can do Hothomouh from HED :0
?[ 2011.02.09 10:20:39 ] Mirelle Avalon > :P
?[ 2011.02.09 10:21:51 ] Sporkerious Genesis > Just want someone to jump my ships down there for me, they probably all won't make it down intact otherwise
?[ 2011.02.09 10:22:04 ] Mirelle Avalon > sin, TCU today, or wait till CTA and have a guard fleet
?[ 2011.02.09 10:22:23 ] Racnim Sinedia > if you can do it right now... today I guess
?[ 2011.02.09 10:22:38 ] Mirelle Avalon > i cant, i have to go now
?[ 2011.02.09 10:22:39 ] Racnim Sinedia > I can online the Ihub thats there in 8 ours from now
?[ 2011.02.09 10:22:42 ] Racnim Sinedia > kk
?[ 2011.02.09 10:22:47 ] Racnim Sinedia > then not now heh :)
?[ 2011.02.09 10:23:00 ] Mirelle Avalon > sporkster has a BR as well ;)
?[ 2011.02.09 10:23:28 ] Safran Foer > 30% refining is bad, yeah? (me is industry noob)
?[ 2011.02.09 10:23:32 ] Sporkerious Genesis > I would prefer a gaurd fleet though
?[ 2011.02.09 10:23:46 ] Sporkerious Genesis > yes Saf, if thats your final output
?[ 2011.02.09 10:24:25 ] Safran Foer > k
?[ 2011.02.09 10:24:27 ] Safran Foer > thx
?[ 2011.02.09 10:37:02 ] Sporkerious Genesis > Right can the ships in a ship maint bay be packaged?
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I have made an nearly complete travel-bookmark set from Keberz to Seafood/S-9 yesterday. Still a few gaps due to dramiels bugging me, but will hopefully fix that today.
I'll find out how to copy bookmarks and place them in our new corp-office asap.
They're all offgrid bookmarks 500-850(got distracted) km off-gate.
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I have made an nearly complete travel-bookmark set from Keberz to Seafood/S-9 yesterday. Still a few gaps due to dramiels bugging me, but will hopefully fix that today.
I'll find out how to copy bookmarks and place them in our new corp-office asap.
They're all offgrid bookmarks 500-850(got distracted) km off-gate.
Shift drag if memory serves. Been a while since I passed any to anyone else.
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erm... vote ended but BPOs still locked? I got RSI for nothing?
or :CCP: will not unlock till after DT?
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and errr... where did all our ship BPOs go?
One of your char's sitting on (read: stole) them Jon?
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and errr... where did all our ship BPOs go?
One of your char's sitting on (read: stole) them Jon?
Im sitting on the super expensive ones (BC and up) with Ammik, keep meaning to move them down to kas, then get sidetracked.
Drake, Harby, Cane, All the cap components, orca and chimera.
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erm... vote ended but BPOs still locked? I got RSI for nothing?
or :CCP: will not unlock till after DT?
I voted unlock on a bunch of them before voting did my head in, so surely they all shouldnt have stayed locked :S
Figured it was best voting just incase.
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Even the ones i voted for with Angaraka, dont show up in sanctionable actions or anything.
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Cruiser and smaller ship BPOs were contracted to maadi in december and accepted in early january - in a container with missile bpos, rig bpos etc.
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Found a bunch of sanctionable actions in the not in effect tab of the sanctionable actions section...
Fucking corp ui.
Edit: not for all, obviously just those I voted on just in case.
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Even the ones i voted for with Angaraka, dont show up in sanctionable actions or anything.
yeah i voted on a few of em too, but didnt budge
i'll wait till after dt and then petition if needed
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Found a bunch of sanctionable actions in the not in effect tab of the sanctionable actions section...
Fucking corp ui.
Edit: not for all, obviously just those I voted on just in case.
wot? ???
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Here is the (near?) complete info of the moons (thanks to Beth). I know some corps have already put up POSes and Hrod said there was quite some discussions on who would take which moon, so wonder which moons have been ninja'd already. ;)
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fromPieter Timmerman
toErwin Sinedia de Ruiter
ccMathias Andersson
arnoud koenen
zanzibar22@xxx,
davemeadow@xxx
dateTue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:08 AM
subjectRe: now including S-9 most moons
mailed-bygmail.com
hide details 11:08 AM (0 minutes ago)
Although I personally have no objections against DUOS taking the Hafnium moon, I don't think dividing moons in a mailinglist of only 6 ppl is the way to go.
When was the forum due again?
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Erwin "Sinedia" de Ruiter wrote:
No official claims have been made yet…
If everybody can indeed give their preferences I will try to make them happen…
If no one contests a claim its yours… if it is contested we will have to find a solution…
Wrote DUOS down as a potential owner for that moon.
From: Mathias Andersson [mailto:]
Sent: dinsdag 15 februari 2011 10:40
To: Erwin Sinedia de Ruiter
Cc: arnoud koenen; zanzibar22@xxx; davemeadow@xxx; pietmanz@xxx
Subject: Re: now including S-9 most moons
If available, DUOS would like to use
P4 moon 1 - Hafnium
Mathias "Yaaman" Andersson
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This is when no alliance forum gets annoying isnt it.
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Me:
Sure, we claim those too
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:29 AM, arnoud koenen wrote:
But to state official nerf claim..
c-food III-12
s-9rcj VII-19
Nice, NERF claims the most expensive moons. So I went forth and claimed them too, just to keep "we claimed that ages ago, so they should be ours" from happening.
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Now they only claim one vana and one haf, saying it shouldnt be a problem because plat and merc are more valuable (according to Hrods calculations only merc is).
Pointed out 2 times now that claiming in those mails is pointless.
Jon, could it be an idea to temporarily set up part of this forum for alliance use? Because I dont expect the official BC forum before fall 2012 or something.
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Sensible Sin after Beth calling their claim "official":
This is no official claim whatsoever, but I do like to have things registered.
I will be sending a mail to all directors about this, as I said earlier, however: and you might have noticed this too: ITS FRIKKIN DOWNTIME BECAUSE OF A RELEASE!!!
So, just to be clear on this: these are claims yes, but nothing official has been decided and everybody will get equal rights in claims (its not going to be a first come first serve thingie).
As soon as DT is lifted I will make an official mail to all the directors that we got a list of moons and that everybody can make their claims… then we go decide together in which way we are going to solve this if there are disputes.
And I already saw the first dispute, so we do need to think of a solution there.
You all must agree with me though that this is not a matter that we can wait long on, as far as I know OMBE already wants to anchor their first POS tonight and the MAADI guys are almost ready to do the same.
So we need to decide who can take which moons. We do want this to be done orderly and most important fairly!
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Now they only claim one vana and one haf, saying it shouldnt be a problem because plat and merc are more valuable (according to Hrods calculations only merc is).
Pointed out 2 times now that claiming in those mails is pointless.
Jon, could it be an idea to temporarily set up part of this forum for alliance use? Because I dont expect the official BC forum before fall 2012 or something.
1hr or so and I can have a whole forum setup WITH api security.
I'll get to it :)
Maybe later, back end of the server is running slow.
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Moons will be hard bargaining im afraid. Basically Beth is 'claiming' a vanadium (1 out of 2) moon in combo with the only hafnium moon for NERF, which leads to the single best reaction possible with the available moons in both systems. So he (they) set in at the top. DUOS in turn claims the same hafnium moon.
Then it's MAADI and OMBER who haven't put up claims yet. Sharpen your knifes gentlemen...
Also, Beth says the moon list isnt complete yet. I wonder if that is accidental or intentional. Very curious what the other moons look like (may be good moons there and hoping we won't check?).
He's a RL mate, but don't trust him too much in game :)
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I'm fucking Rick James bitch!
http://maadim.handsofjustice.co.uk/bcforum/index.php
(Had a spare directory floating around the server so used it :D)
Forums are set to private unless you login and provide an valid API with a character on that is in one of the alliance corps.
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Great! Much appreciated Jon!
Will set up an account when I'm back home from work.
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Great! Much appreciated Jon!
Will set up an account when I'm back home from work.
Cool.
No need to add your corp tag btw, the api mod does it automatically once i validate the apis.
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Don't care about the vanadium, let them have it.
If we can get the merc one scand and one gas moon we are set. (wouldn't mind a plat but well it would be for a nanotransistor chain, which the merc moon would be as well btw, so we can't afford either neo or tech which are needed atm)
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Well, I know a lot less about it all than you, so I'll leave it to you to put forward our claim.
But I thought I'd at least stall things a bit till you got back from work as things were going fast all of a sudden.
Also, I didn't like NERF claiming the best reaction possibility in a mail where lots of folks didnt have a say.
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I agree with that.
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I'm fucking Rick James bitch!
http://maadim.handsofjustice.co.uk/bcforum/index.php
(Had a spare directory floating around the server so used it :D)
Forums are set to private unless you login and provide an valid API with a character on that is in one of the alliance corps.
Advertised ingame, let's see if ppl from outside our little clique join the fun :)
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Hope so :)
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Lol...
Bebur wants every damn moon of any value.
Their damn corp doesn't even have a jump capable transport.
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sounds like the greed is kicking in.
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Lol...
Bebur wants every damn moon of any value.
Their damn corp doesn't even have a jump capable transport.
This impression was based on a misunderstanding, so it's not as bad as that :)
I think we need to decide asap about which moons we would like, because atm the other corps are waiting for us (and DUOS) to decide before they can set up POSes and go moon-mining.
Hrod, do you have an idea yet? If you need input please say so, because I guess that both Mang and I are waiting for you.
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"There will be trouble ahead"
greed will become apparent, sensibly id say most expensive moons go to those with the biggest bills due to you taking this space, and surely teh big picture should be the alliance and not petty "i wants ISK"
just my 2 (whatever is smaller than an ISK, why didnt they put in a fractional for ISKies)
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Well I've said we want a van moon (for a small tower really) and a scan+gas moon for fernite carbite. If they deal up the r32s I said I'd rather have a plat (for you rex to start with ;) )
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I will care for it lovingly.
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I will care for it lovingly.
Pick a plat moon in c-fdod and let me know which. Have to tell sin about it.
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According to Beth's recon emails:
c-fd0d V moon 4 is a 2x plat.
c-fd0d VII moon 1 is a 1x plat
S-9RCJ VIII moon 17 is 1x plat
Is it possible to put 2 moon gooers on a moon and pull more than one goo? I'm guessing it is. But I'm not greedy Either of the 1x moons would be fine. Unless no one wants the 2x. Which I would find hard to believe.
I saw an email that the moons were already handed out, so this whole post may be moot.
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No, the x2 is a remnant from a time they thought about having t2 miners which they scrapped.
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Why is Sin obsessed with FailIRC and using similar setups for stuff like they do...
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Why is Sin obsessed with FailIRC and using similar setups for stuff like they do...
Whats failirc?
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Intrepid Crossing (IRC)
Used to live in the drones, got assed kicked by the russians, is now a pet alliance of theres staffed by bots and very idiotic renters as a meatshield against the NC, lives in the drones again.
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Intrepid Crossing (IRC)
Used to live in the drones, got assed kicked by the russians, is now a pet alliance of theres staffed by bots and very idiotic renters as a meatshield against the NC, lives in the drones again.
Understood when i read the thread :)
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All corpstuff I wanted moved to Khanid Prime is moved now.
- Ships
- Mods
- Ammo
- Mining crystals
- High-end minerals
- BPCs and part of our BPOs
- some PI command centres for each type of planet
FYI
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I have to reinstall!!!!!
(EVE and Lotro were the ONLY two games I didnt backup - except the My Docs EVE folder ofc - before I moved from Win 7 32bit to 64 bit this afternoon).
This will be interesting :)
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Be advised that the WD - 9KOE travelbookmark is on the wrong gate (on same gate as other WD-bookmark).
I will make a new BM for that one soonTM (when I run a inty past that gate) (if noone else does ;)).
-> For now, bounce off planet 8 celestials.
Also, as said before: not all bookmarks are guaranteed to be off grid.
It does what it says on the tin distance wise though. So when it says 500 it will be 475-525 km from the gate. Unless maybe when you fly something horribly slow it should give you plenty of time to GTFO when you are seen.
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I have an augmented set of bookmarks I will be adding the to corp hanger in K Prime tonight. It includes on grids for some gates (~250 to 300km for those of you like me who like to see the gate. I also have instant undocks from the G8- station and the KW- station as well as book marks all the way down to the KW- station. As well as some corrected ones from Saf's excellent collection.
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Has new rent been paid yet? Will someone? Should I tonight? Which wallet?
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not afaik.
can do if you want.
whichever has money in.
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Will check tonight if it has been done. If not, I will do it.
We might also want to evaluate at some point if we will stay (initial plan was to 'try' for a month iirc), as for now it's an isk-sink. Although this might change when we get all our POSes up.
But even then we might want to look into cost-benefit, both for isk and :effort:
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done
also transferred 500M from master to our bills wallet.
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I have an augmented set of bookmarks I will be adding the to corp hanger in K Prime tonight. It includes on grids for some gates (~250 to 300km for those of you like me who like to see the gate. I also have instant undocks from the G8- station and the KW- station as well as book marks all the way down to the KW- station. As well as some corrected ones from Saf's excellent collection.
Rex, did you ever get around to doing this?
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There is a set sitting in cans at the Gula Febern POS in the Hanger. Since I happen to be in High sec with 2 hrs to burn till the agony roam, I will shoot on over to Khanid Prime and drop a set off there too.
Edit: Ok My BM's are in cans in the "Random" Corp hangers in both Khanid Prime office and Kasrasi office.
The random hanger in KP takes a little while to open because the old BMs are in there. So be patient.
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Corp shared BM's are on the list according to today :)
Fucking finally.
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There is a set sitting in cans at the Gula Febern POS in the Hanger. Since I happen to be in High sec with 2 hrs to burn till the agony roam, I will shoot on over to Khanid Prime and drop a set off there too.
Edit: Ok My BM's are in cans in the "Random" Corp hangers in both Khanid Prime office and Kasrasi office.
The random hanger in KP takes a little while to open because the old BMs are in there. So be patient.
great, thx!
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Unless someone is willing to do the refueling etc of the towers and/or aaa halves the rent we have to pay I'll start tearing the towers down during april as I can not spend the time to keep them up with the changes ccp are going to push through.
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Can not or will not?
I understand though.
At least I neither feel like, nor got the means for refueling stuff. I think that has been clear for a long time, anyway...
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Unless someone is willing to do the refueling etc of the towers and/or aaa halves the rent we have to pay I'll start tearing the towers down during april as I can not spend the time to keep them up with the changes ccp are going to push through.
You know I wont go I near them.
If you think renting is a bad idea after this change, although I have no actual clue as to how much it will affect BC anyway - since CCP isnt releasing actual numbers and the others I have linked in the BC forum thread are forum conjecture - then maybe its time for whats left of maadi to move on to pastures new or quit eve or just leave maadi as it is and not do anything with it.
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As said in the other thread - see exactly how this changes things for BC before we make changes and such, it may pan out to be rabble rabble rather than all isk gone byebye etc. Not that CCP is helping by not providing numbers.
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Well, lets say it like this.
The current upgrades we have will be equivalent to about lvl5 in the future. You will probably make less isk/h than a lvl3 agent in high...
Grayscale did give solid numbers (he might have deleted them and will change his mind) but they were something like this:
1. Good space ~0.7-> is boosted
2. decent space ~0.4 - 0.7 is left reasonably unchanged
3. bad space 0.2 - 0.4 is severly nerfed
4. useless space 0 - 0.2 is nerfed to oblivion
For anything below 0.4 iirc ALL high end anomalies get removed. So the hubs we get now will only be at lvl4 and 5... They usually don't have any battleships.
The given reason has nothing to do with the economy (and tbh that would be idiotic as the same amount of isk was made pre dominion in lvl4s... so there is no increase in inflation)
They are claiming this will mean less stable coalitions (in what damn way??? the coalition hold basically only strategic systems AND 0.7 amd up... its only renters that hold the ones below...)
They are claiming it will give new alliances more opportunities... thats rich... In what way? Lets hypothesize our 2 systems are empty, -a- have no interest in them for anything. Does ANYONE think they would allow a small alliance to set up shop there?
As soon as the tcu goes online a mail will come to the director of the alliance stating "you have claimed sov in a system under our control, relinquish it immediately and pay 10bn to get a temporary blue status"
And if you refuse 20 SC will come visiting and blow you to smithereens. Or if they remove the capitals completely 300 battleships...
So the ONLY thing this does is force the little guy to bend over further and given that I think 2bn for the shit systems we have is rich... well...
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I knew he'd removed posts - must have been ones with actual numbers in (and noone seems to have quoted them in that thread :S).
Thing Im wondering at this point in time does the space we have get the highends - Sanctums/Havens/Hordes which they are removing (nothing else after having read the blog half a dozen times this afternoon) - at all and did we ever have a chance of getting them even at L5 even before considering next week?
And yes the rent is a little crappy when you consider the changes - if they remove something the members are already getting, if they dont then theres actually no change surely?
(The Sov system hurts my head so forgive me if I seem like a devils advocate over this - im just trying to understand it all without resorting to asking EVEO for more than a diagram!)
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From what I remember. No.
Havens were at 0.4 and up sanctums at 0.6 or 7...
I of course have no solid evidence but just my recollection reading this at the same time being pissed off and trying to stay calm enough to write a decent app for a job i'll not get...
(heck not only this shit i'm pissed about but lots of other thing in rl etc... it all just adds up and that omber guys insult well.. )
True there is "no" change. Apart from the fact that I suspect they will push the quality down a peg in general.
So at lvl 3 (since thats where we are iirc) we would not get hubs but they would come at lvl4 instead. Or we would get frig bonanza hubs which give no money.
But if you look at it today, the systems doesn't actually support more than 3-4 concurrent pve:ers with decent skills/ships and that could if we use the BEST scenario of it adding 8 hubs for lvl4+5 would increase to maybe 5-7 people but that would be pushing it ALOT.
So while it might not remove much it removes any and all reason behind upgrading and living in the space imo. Just not worth the effort to pay the rent in order to not even be able to make decent cash to get decent ships for pvp (which I never seem to have time for anyway but well since we don't have access to aaa JB network and all the open fleets use them thats quite simple)
Any change that makes you do more boring stuff to do fun stuff means less time to do fun stuff whatever you think is fun and that is a bad change for a game.
This is such a thing. As would the removal of Rorq/JF/JB be as it would force people to do more boring stuff to do fun stuff making eve into a second job.
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to answer your question Jon:
at our current state we dont have access to havens et al. (or maybe a random one once in a while, think Sin had one a few weeks back), but when we upgrade more (lvl 4,5), we do: I dont know exact numbers, but lvl 4 and 5 should spawn some of them.
right now it's not a difference between our current space or -1.00 space, all 0.0 has same chance to spawn stuff. or so I've understood the current situation.
[edit]2 sanctums and 2 havens no matter what trusec at pirate detection V it seems: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1361046/page/1)[/edit]
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Okies cheers.
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Only 3 days and we have to pay rent, so please fill up the alliance bank again
New Eden Recon Force: 1,340,363,636 (this is minus the pay for the sovereignty)
Ma'adim Logistics: 942,954,545
Duolith Systems: 348,533,763
Omber Company: 1,501,742,424
Interstellar Armaments and Ammunition: 139,696,970
Please get these amounts on the bank within a day or 2 (we must pay -A- on the 14th).
so the right thing to do is pay this months rent and then say we'll leave?
when will last tower be pulled out? i lost track.
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You read my mind.
I do think that paying the next period rent is the polite thing to do, gives them time to find replacement corp and what not. And while EVE is cold and mean, we dont have to be!
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so who will break the news to BC and when?
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so who will break the news to BC and when?
YOU and NOW :)
i voted :D :D
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Well yeah, I dont mind to do it, they hate my guts already anyway.
My biggest question is when, we might want to time this somewhat right.
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Weekend ish.
Along lines of MAADI's closing/whatever. Not as active as we were, people looking at other options/even other games, we arent really of major aid to alliance as we play less and less (they seem to get on regardless), Mangs reducing all his alts / active accounts due to disatisfaction with CCP (not enough to quit). Paid rent to ensure you have time to look for replacement corp / negotiate with AAA over changes (this would require an alliance CEO that plays more than Sin (dont say that part)) to the bills they pay.
Yada yada yada.
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Yada yada yada.
http://maadim.handsofjustice.co.uk/bcforum/index.php?topic=153.0
tlwr; MAADI will leave BC
MAADI - a bunch of guys frequenting the HoJ forum/community, that play lots of different games, of which EvE is one. We go where the fun is, and try flock together on a particular server.
The height of our EvE presence was in 2009, but some of us sticked to the game ever since. As you might have noticed though, our activity hasnt been high. Coming to 0.0 with you guys was an experiment for us that we hoped would flare our enthusiam for the game again and would bring some of our friends back to the game. Both things didn't quite happen. Mang has too much fun in RvB, I didn't get out of 0.0 what I wanted, Hrod was so busy hauling stuff that he didnt have time for anything else, etc. And the ex-EvE HoJ members that we had hoped would come back found their fun on other games instead.
Also - our general discontent with CCP's policy for 0.0 hasnt helped either.
All in all, we've decided to stop our experiment and pull out of 0.0. Part of our towers have been pulled out already, the last ones will follow (if they haven't already). We payed this month's rent to give you guys the opportunity to attract (a) new (corp) to help pay the rent, etc. But we are sure you can pull your weight around there, as in practice you have done so already over the last month (with our activity near zero).
MAADI will stay as a stable base for the HoJ folk, but most of it's active members will prolly move on to greener pastures. Some of us will join Mang in RvB, of others I do not know yet what their future plans are yet. All I know that we will stay in touch through the HoJ forum and EvE chat-channel 'HoJ gaming'.
I am sure Mang will neatly tie off any loose ends he has left in the BC-empire corp, but I'll leave it to him to tell you about his planned actions there (as I dont have a clue what's left undone and what not).
All that's left for me to do is wish you all the luck and heaps of fun in 0.0. I'm sure you guys will be succesful as you lot have lots of guys with the required skills and enthusiasm :)
HF!
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I actually could not have put it better myself.
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I do find AAA's position gay as fuck btw:
Hello all,
We have been talking about asking for a rent change... and I was supposed to talk to -A- about it...
Well I won't, since -A- already announced changes due to the new upcoming CCP changes.
Essentially it comes down to those systems with a lower sec rating then us will pay less, we pay the same and systems with a higher sec rating will even pay more...
So nothing changes for us...
This is not the final word on it though, they will be monitoring these changes themselves (the one in charge of renting is also renting from -A- himself, so he knows what happens) and will change the system if needed...
Sofar by the way it doesn't seem bad yet... there indeed is a nerf on the anoms, but the plexes should be fixed... so in the end it should improve our systems (if we get full upgrading done that is and it seems the rent amounts are actually based on that). We have to see what happens thus.
On another note: Ras is in charge of upgrading the systems (both) to pirate 4 / entrapment 3!
Then we will be done with upgrading for now... we will then have a small billion left and i don't want to take risks... so that stays in the bank. If we can raise some extra cash on alliance ops or so we can always get more in off course, otherwise the next ones will be next month.
Sin
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I do find AAA's position gay as fuck btw:
Hello all,
We have been talking about asking for a rent change... and I was supposed to talk to -A- about it...
Well I won't, since -A- already announced changes due to the new upcoming CCP changes.
Essentially it comes down to those systems with a lower sec rating then us will pay less, we pay the same and systems with a higher sec rating will even pay more...
So nothing changes for us...
This is not the final word on it though, they will be monitoring these changes themselves (the one in charge of renting is also renting from -A- himself, so he knows what happens) and will change the system if needed...
Sofar by the way it doesn't seem bad yet... there indeed is a nerf on the anoms, but the plexes should be fixed... so in the end it should improve our systems (if we get full upgrading done that is and it seems the rent amounts are actually based on that). We have to see what happens thus.
On another note: Ras is in charge of upgrading the systems (both) to pirate 4 / entrapment 3!
Then we will be done with upgrading for now... we will then have a small billion left and i don't want to take risks... so that stays in the bank. If we can raise some extra cash on alliance ops or so we can always get more in off course, otherwise the next ones will be next month.
Sin
yeah, that was an 'eyebrowraiser' for me too...
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They took it well.
Here's hoping they keep on trucking.
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They took it well.
Here's hoping they keep on trucking.
reposted my yadas on the general forums. here's hoping that the cannonfodder will take it as well as the directors.
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Probably dont even know who we are ;)
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ha! :D
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Im so happy.
http://maadim.handsofjustice.co.uk/beyondkills/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2587
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Was quite a fight though... But what was that REAL guy doing there?
http://maadim.handsofjustice.co.uk/beyondkills/?a=kill_related&kll_id=2587
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They killed 9 BS an assault frig and a Hic for the loss of a carrier and a cov ops and I think they still lost the engagement. That is an impressive blob tho. what they hell do you need 90 ships for? Freaking Eve Uni doesn't have blobs that big.