New BC & BS Insurance Costs

[peo]

Well the only issue (and I havn't kept tabs on prices for ships at all for a while) I can see is that we want "risk-free" pvp. The loss of a ship in pvp should be very low, if any, so depending on the price of the ship we might end up with a not "risk-free" enough replacement system.

Shouldnt you be working

Had to wait for a correction in the database when i fecked up

Takes 5-15min.

And now I'm out of stuff to do hehe.

[Warcold]

Yup after all if you cant afford to lose it dont fly it.

frigate fleets are go!

[Warcold]

Typhoon 14.5-48

[Rexorr]

Armageddon  12m  pays 41 mil.

Cost in Jita 39m.  so you lose about 10 mill per hulkageddon kill + mods.    Woot

[Mangala]

Still think insurance is odd.

Pay 1.1 mill to insure a ruppie at plat for a 3.8 payout.  I actually get 1.7 when it dies.  And on the regional market ruppies are going for around 4-5 mill....

[Mangala]

I'll get the Gall bs/bc costs later on this weekend (Since that seems to be mostly what we are missing).

We need a figure for both classes though and tbh i think 18million (which is nearly double the insurance cost of a new t1 bc) for BC's and 40 for a BS is going to be best. (Rokhs the most expensive to insure (and purchase) so using that 40 for a BS makes sense).

[Mangala]

So im making a decision here - since we need one making.

BC - We give you 18million when you lose one in PVP. This covers the insurance cost, and potentially some of the fit.
BS - We give you 40million when you lose one in PVP. This covers the insurance cost, and potentially some of the fit. In some cases it covers the Ship cost itself from market (go go 40million isk Domi's!)

We can look again at these figures in 6months, since if they need adjusting due to possible market differences or not.  But take them as done.

T2 ships on the other hand should work on this scale:

T2 frig hulls - we give 10million when it dies.  Its enough to refit mainly, cost should always be the players worry here.
T2 cruiser hulls - we give 20million when it dies. Again enough to refit pretty much.

Still insure the ships, its usually under 2million isk and you get a couple of mods worth of shit back.

[Warcold]

T2 ships on the other hand should work on this scale:

T2 frig hulls - we give 10million when it dies.  Its enough to refit mainly, cost should always be the players worry here.
T2 cruiser hulls - we give 20million when it dies. Again enough to refit pretty much.

DICs go per frig hull and command ships per cruiser hull? Or would you say they fall in different categories?

[Mangala]

T2 ships on the other hand should work on this scale:

T2 frig hulls - we give 10million when it dies.  Its enough to refit mainly, cost should always be the players worry here.
T2 cruiser hulls - we give 20million when it dies. Again enough to refit pretty much.

DICs go per frig hull and command ships per cruiser hull? Or would you say they fall in different categories?

Forgot those.

Dictors in with frigs yeah.

CS - new category.

Im avoiding T2 BS for now.

[Mangala]

T2, we give the market value (Jita rate of the ship) plus the following:

T2 frig & destroyer hulls - we give 10million when it dies.  Its enough to refit.
T2 cruiser hulls - we give 20million when it dies. Again enough to refit pretty much.
T2 battlecruiser hulls - we give 30million when it dies.  Should cover links and any mindlinks the pilot may have lost.

Went with this - and I recalled from the other thread saying we'd buy the replacement ship + give them isk - was that wise, or should we stick with it so as to actually have something going forward from now.

Personally im in favour of utility T2's being bought by us on a replacement basis + some isk given for fits and the rest just getting isk after a loss, and getting own ship (anyone who flies non-utility t2 should be able to afford it themselves imo).

Utility = logistics, inties, dics, hics, and possibly CS.

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And a note on PVP - I wont accept replacing stuff when people are say in a missioning ship and get ganked in hisec for whatever reason. Including if they undock in a mission ship during war! (would probably be me killing them as a lesson!).

[peo]

T2, we give the market value (Jita rate of the ship) plus the following:

T2 frig & destroyer hulls - we give 10million when it dies.  Its enough to refit.
T2 cruiser hulls - we give 20million when it dies. Again enough to refit pretty much.
T2 battlecruiser hulls - we give 30million when it dies.  Should cover links and any mindlinks the pilot may have lost.

Went with this - and I recalled from the other thread saying we'd buy the replacement ship + give them isk - was that wise, or should we stick with it so as to actually have something going forward from now.

Personally im in favour of utility T2's being bought by us on a replacement basis + some isk given for fits and the rest just getting isk after a loss, and getting own ship (anyone who flies non-utility t2 should be able to afford it themselves imo).

Utility = logistics, inties, dics, hics, and possibly CS.

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And a note on PVP - I wont accept replacing stuff when people are say in a missioning ship and get ganked in hisec for whatever reason. Including if they undock in a mission ship during war! (would probably be me killing them as a lesson!).

Logistics and interdictors of both types are probably important enough to warrant replacement in full and supply from corp stock (I think that at least most serious alliances/corps replace hics that way due to their well stupifyingly high importance in 0.0 warfare)

[Mangala]

Yeah my thoughts too on that at least, which is why i dropped in the codicil.  Doesnt mean everyone should show up ready to fly them mind

T2 is a difficult one to do, as we want people to fly it comfortable that when it dies, it wont hurt too much, but I dont want us splashing cash all over t2 just because either...  T2 itself does add extra umph on the field, although not so much in hi/low as 0.0.

[peo]

Yeah my thoughts too on that at least, which is why i dropped in the codicil.  Doesnt mean everyone should show up ready to fly them mind

T2 is a difficult one to do, as we want people to fly it comfortable that when it dies, it wont hurt too much, but I dont want us splashing cash all over t2 just because either...  T2 itself does add extra umph on the field, although not so much in hi/low as 0.0.

True.
Currently I suspect that we have fairly few that can fly hics (you and well soonish Linnea are the only ones I can think of) similar with logistics.
Logistics are probably more important for us atm if we roam more in low sec? Although I hope we can do more 0.0 if we grow at which point it becomes more important with hics/dics.
Normal t2 (AF/HACS/CS) while good and all that doesn't bring THAT much more compared to a frigs or bc's. Command ships are quite situational as well, they boost good but I suspect they work best in larger fleets (more than 4-5 at least ) given that the added boost might not be enough compared to another combat ship?

For us at the moment I suspect that BC fleets with some support is what is important to get replacment on rather than marauders

[Warcold]

Saf will be in HICs pretty soon and will also train logistics to 4 or 5 not long after. Armor repping logistics will take some more time for him though (Amarr cruiser V  ).

[peo]

Saf will be in HICs pretty soon and will also train logistics to 4 or 5 not long after. Armor repping logistics will take some more time for him though (Amarr cruiser V  ).

From what I've understood the Scimitar is the logi of preference for roaming fleets  (especially drake gangs), smaller and more agile than the others?.