New BC & BS Insurance Costs

[Mangala]

Im building a list - and checking it twice...

Battleship:

Armageddon: 12 cost, 41 payout;
Pest: 20 cost, 68 payout;
Rokh: 32 cost, 106 payout;
Domi: 12 cost, 40 payout;
Apoc: 21 cost, 72 payout;
'Phoon: 14.5 cost, 48 payout;
Mael: 29 cost, 97 payout;

Battlecruiser:

Cyclone: 4.6 cost, 15 payout;
Harb: 8.5 cost, payout 28.3;
Prophecy: 5.6 cost, payout 18.6;
Ferox: 4.6 cost, payout 15.4;
Drake: 7.3 cost, payout 24.6;
Hurricane: 7.5 cost, payout 25;
Myrm: 7.8 cost, payout 26.0;

[Mangala]

If you have any BC or Bs kicking about - do a fake insurance for me to get the Platinum cost at least?

Thanks awfully chaps.

[Warcold]

iirc the payout is dependent on market prices (so fluctuating). the fee seems to be 30% of payout

[Mangala]

iirc the payout is dependent on market prices (so fluctuating). the fee seems to be 30% of payout

Ouchies.  I'll figure something out then regards a system for this.

[Warcold]

drake earlier this month (june 6th): 7,340,481 - 24,468,270
cyclone: 4,629,387.60 - 15,431,292

[peo]

The insurance is supposed to be tied to mineral value in some way. It is updated at some unknown interval, possibly manually triggered on iceland.

[Mangala]

So - looked at several BC and they all seem to come in at under 12mill to insure with a payout around 25-35 depending on tier.  So, rather than going with a ever changing figure as payout, Saf and I are looking at say a fixed payout of 15million isk to insure?

This way you can purchase a fresh BC from the market with the payout and with what we give you can fit it (or at least cover some of the fit) again.  

For BS, Its suggested around 30 or 40 mill is the payout.  We have these insurance costs for some BS already which suggests this idea:

'Pest: 20 cost, 68 payout;
Rokh: 32 cost, 106 payout;
Domi: 12 cost, 40 payout;
Apoc: 21 cost, 72 payout;

We can revise these as and when the market takes a nosedive or goes up and prices change.  Fixed prices also mean that if costs are somehow linked to regional markets, then we are covered for local variations, especially in smaller more remote regions.

We could also make the odd BC/BS and sell them to members at whatever the creation cost is?  Should cover alot of the cost too?

[Warcold]

We could also make the odd BC/BS and sell them to members at whatever the creation cost is?  Should cover alot of the cost too?

Is already in place - have most BPOs(/BPCs) and have Tyr keeping an eye on stock.

Regarding BS prices, it's a hard one, with Tier 1-3 lying so far apart pricewise. 30 would not even cover the cost to insure for a Rokh it seems...
Could split Tier 1-3. Will get a bit more hassle-ish, but at least less so than before CCP 'broke' insurance.
Will try to get more data for BSs, I have all 3 Minnie variations lying around here and there.

(could do split tier thing for BCs too)

thoughts?

[Mangala]

Harb: 8.5m cost, payout 28.3m;
Prophecy: 5.6m cost, payout 18.6m;

Ferox: 4.6m, payout 15.4m;
Drake: 7.3m cost, payout 24.6m;

With costs for an replacement (off market) being at most 5-10million more depending on region.

So we could do a multi tier across the board?  say 15 for Tier 1 BC, 25 for Tier 2 BC.  And then something similar for BS, or just say 40 for BS and leave it at that? (although need to see all the insurance figures for that class first).

[peo]

Always KISS principle

(me stupid yha ´now)

Serioiusly, sounds ok.

The build thing is already in place as saf mentioned, we sell stuff to corpmembers at corp mineral cost (so a 10% subsidy on minerals and 100% of the blueprint and build cost, usually end up a fairly nice price tbh)

[Mangala]

Been thinking about this a touch more.

25 for Tier 2 BC;s seems a bit much looking at the figures for Tier 2 BC insurance costs.  So rather than two different figures, lets just give 18?  its a nice balance imo - especially considering you can pick up a drake for around 25 in the major hubs and probably a touch under it from us.

Battleships Im tempted to just say fuck it and stick at 40mill.

[peo]

Well the only issue (and I havn't kept tabs on prices for ships at all for a while) I can see is that we want "risk-free" pvp. The loss of a ship in pvp should be very low, if any, so depending on the price of the ship we might end up with a not "risk-free" enough replacement system.

[Mangala]

Primarily I just want be able to know members can replace the fit, since their insurance payout will cover the ship in 90% of cases.  And if we can go aways towards it with what we give then good.  

Which is as risk free as it should be.  

I dont want people relying on us to totally replace everything for them, they can make their own isk and spend some of that (said from a rich mans POV I know) on the remainder of the fit we dont help with iskwise. Caps is an exception that we can look at going forward.

Its not like theres any group out there that replaces everything under caps totally and utterly anyways. Even uber rich folks like PL, CH, IT etc dont do it. They expect a certain degree of self-sufficiency and I agree with it - im sure we all do for sub cap pvp

[Caradir]

Yup after all if you cant afford to lose it dont fly it.

The way i see it the corp payouts allow you to fly a slightly more expensive fit than you would perhaps usually, adding an extra few % to your damage/survivability etc

[Mangala]

Well the only issue (and I havn't kept tabs on prices for ships at all for a while) I can see is that we want "risk-free" pvp. The loss of a ship in pvp should be very low, if any, so depending on the price of the ship we might end up with a not "risk-free" enough replacement system.

Shouldnt you be working