Hands of Justice
The Lounge => The Dog & Duck => Topic started by: Mangala on November 18, 2008, 10:08:06 PM
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http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1562587978?bctid=2541780001
Not a trek nerd, but this makes me want to watch the new movie when its done.
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Good lord... it's Lucas Arts meets Michael Bay ft. the Gadgetinis. o_O
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i like to watch the trek movies myself but for me they are like the bond movies ok to watch once and i cant be bothered to repeat watch them.
also heard a net rumour (pinch of salt time ) shatner will be making a guest appearance oh dear.
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If the films as good as that teaser it could well be the best Start Trek movie ever (must stop thinking Sylar everytime i see spock :) )
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When the original idea was proposed a few years ago, I just shook my head. And now, I think I've watched that trailer six or seven times.
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When the original idea was proposed a few years ago, I just shook my head. And now, I think I've watched that trailer six or seven times.
Same. More so as the last couple of trek movies - anything after Generations - have been really dire. I am so looking forward to XI now :)
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When the original idea was proposed a few years ago, I just shook my head. And now, I think I've watched that trailer six or seven times.
Same. More so as the last couple of trek movies - anything after Generations - have been really dire. I am so looking forward to XI now :)
Say what now? First Contact was bad? *shakes head* Generations was... ok. Insurrection and Nemesis were not so good, yeah.
I think this looks like a good brain-turn-off sort of film. I'd still prefer they were doing a new series or somesuch moving forward rather than more Kirk wankery, but oh well.
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tsk tsk, so many years from now and women still wear bras... :-X
movie didnt have sound for me, so this silly remark is all i can think off.
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also heard a net rumour (pinch of salt time ) shatner will be making a guest appearance oh dear.
Far from it from what I've read. Shatner really wanted to be in it but Abrams told him to piss off. Somthing which has divided trekkies I believe but if they are positioning this with other decent re-imaged franchises such as Batman and Bond they would probably be better off avoiding shatner who is essentially one big cheesy cliche.
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Say what now? First Contact was bad? *shakes head* Generations was... ok. Insurrection and Nemesis were not so good, yeah.
Good point, I thought First Contact was pretty decent, once I stopped wincing that the faceless distributed network of consciousness actually had a face after all. (The Borg Queen was fun, even if it bent the concept of the Borg somewhat.)
I think this looks like a good brain-turn-off sort of film. I'd still prefer they were doing a new series or somesuch moving forward rather than more Kirk wankery, but oh well.
Thats' been my objection since the series Enterprise was announced and I'd still like it if they went forward. On the other hand, I think Trek has the same problem a lot of science fiction has right now, which is that no one can figure out what the future looks like anymore. There are good authors out there doing some very good work, but it seems to be a distance shy of emerging into pop culture enough for movies and TV series to be made using it.
To my utter horror, Jake 2.0 just popped into my head. Oh man, what I would have done with that concept.
To slide back towards my original point, even William Gibson is writing about the past now, I believe? And Charles Stross (http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/) is wringing his hands trying to delay the writing of his next novel as long as possible because it's set in the near future, and the last twelve months have been torturous for anyone trying to predict what America and the rest of the Western world will look like in twenty years.
As for the new Trek movie, my optimism surprises me. *
* I think I went in a circle in this post.
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This is JJ Abrams don't forget, while I thought cloverfeild was a steaming pile, you only have to watch a couple of episodes of lost (of which tbh, I'm not a fan) to see that he should be all about character development. So I'm quietly optimistic even though I've not liked any of his stuff thus far.
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cloverfield nooooooooooooooooooo the nightmares didnt get past the in the flat scene which seemed to last for hours one of the few dvd's that i have bought and a day later but in the dustbin.
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Yeah, I watched about six episodes of Lost before moving, losing Sky for a while and then understanding very clearly that it wasn't a show of which you could skip episodes. So that was it. But yes, plenty of characterisation.
He also did Alias, didn't he? I watched ... I think it was the second or third season. Lost made Alias look like a draft copy, it seemed to me. You could see Abrams using some of the same storytelling techniques for prolonging the agony by giving away something without resolving anything. I know they weren't called Garibaldi artefacts, but that's how I remember them.
The other problem I really thought that show had was that the villain had to keep losing and he couldn't just be disposed of. He didn't seem much of a threat as a result.
The new Trek movie looks like it builds off the premise of Kirk and Spock being misfits, which seems like a good place to start. I gather the Trek community's reaction to this has been ... noticeable.
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yeah it seems Kirk is a hellraiser (so why put him in charge of your flagship?), and Spock is having issues with his human emotions, lets just hope hes not needing to get laid :)
Still looks it could be a good action movie and it really cant be worse than Insurrection.
Sci-Fi went downhill in my mind when The Sci-Fi channel (upon appointing a new head) canned Farscape because she (the newly appointed head of programs) "didnt get it", i wouldnt get it either if i hadnt watched every episode to be honest, it just wasnt a "story an episode" type of programme, and it seems they dont show actual Sci-Fi at all these days.
Bring on someone with the balls to bring a Visionary version of the Dune books to celluloid.
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Wierd. I'm diametrically opposed to practically all of you. I loved Cloverfield (it's a monster film, what were you expecting?), I love Lost (best season finales of practically any show), and I hated Farscape with a passion. :D
I'm sure those of us who've seen fringe (more Abrams) can approach some form of concensus (it's predominantly arse).
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Wierd. I'm diametrically opposed to practically all of you. I loved Cloverfield (it's a monster film, what were you expecting?), I love Lost (best season finales of practically any show), and I hated Farscape with a passion. :D.
Agreed - although dont like lost after mid season 3 ;)
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Wierd. I'm diametrically opposed to practically all of you. I loved Cloverfield (it's a monster film, what were you expecting?), I love Lost (best season finales of practically any show), and I hated Farscape with a passion. :D.
Agreed - although dont like lost after mid season 3 ;)
Whaaaat, that's when it gets really good *boggle*. I think I woke up in opposite world.
Did you stick with it till the end of the season? The last 4 maybe 5 eps of season 3 (the finale is top notch), and all of season 4 has been some of the best telly of recent times.
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Cloverfeild is good because it employs a unique and inventive approach to both style and narrative. Confusingly however I'm not talking about the first person, hand held super effects... oh no, though at an initial glance the average film go'er may assume that the effects are indeed the meat of the production, what actually drives this film is considerably more subtle than you may have realized.
For the audience the focus is not on the monster nor with the spectacle of the First person hand held experience, the focus is with the characters... indeed both performance and dialogue constantly begging the question; Just when are these annoying hecks going to die?
Abrams genius was to write characters so amazingly unbearable that as long as an audience left the cinema happy in the knowledge that each asshole got crushed or eaten the rest of the film could be completely ignored.
While you may well have heard reports of people coming out of the cinema with motion sickness the stories of the 1000s of people weeping blood and eating their own face after viewing the opening 20 minute party sequence where mercilessly buried. Abrams going so far as to kidnap each and every critic who attempted to cover the story and sending them off to live on a mysterious island and never telling them what exactly was going on.
While audience’s deaths have been attributed to the opening section, relief that the yuppie twats all eventually die actually formed such strong bonds between cinema patrons that in many cases it led to marriage.
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Also Farscape was rubbish ;D
Sci-fi died when Firefly was canceld if anything!
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They were unlikable characters, fair enough. I didn't find them any more unlikable than 90% of characters in mainstream media though? They're just your common or garden american stereotypes. I bet Kirk in this new Trek film would not have looked out of place in Cloverfield.
Battlestar is still burning the quality sci-fi flame. God knows what we'll do when that's gone.
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They were unlikable characters, fair enough. I didn't find them any more unlikable than 90% of characters in mainstream media though? They're just your common or garden american stereotypes. I bet Kirk in this new Trek film would not have looked out of place in Cloverfield.
Battlestar is still burning the quality sci-fi flame. God knows what we'll do when that's gone.
BSG got rid of that daft religious/spiritual plot line for the robots then? ;)
As for what to do after BSG finishes. B5 reruns ftw :D
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They have occasionally gone overboard on the religious storylines. I don't much like it myself, especially where they've gone with Baltar in season 4, but everything else is golden. The characters in that show are really good (Tigh is brilliant!).
B5 reruns ftw :D
<3 got all the boxsets. Fuckin' loves me some B5. I even liked Crusade and the tv movies they did (semi-)recently.
I'm dead easy to please, me.
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Where as you may not have liked Farscape ( i urge you to watch it all) it was the top rated show on Sci-Fi at the time of its cancellation. Firefly suffered from the Americans lack of patience with a show, first 6 episodes pretty dull not much to talk about but then it gets going only to be canned.
BSG is ace(although havent seen any season 4) but it probably is THE only (non repeats) Scifi show on telly.
B5 always will be the daddy (although the last 2 season show what happens when executives constantly change there minds over the future of a show, the pacing is bizarre at times), the movies are meh but watchable, Lost tales is just like 2 episodes with the possibility of continuing both into the future.
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Sci-fi died when Firefly was canceld if anything!
QFT
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Hello, I missed a bit of conversation. It was that kind of day at work.
Cloverfield fascinated me because it went in on the understanding that the viewer will very likely recognise everything that's going on, without having to be in the C&C bunker. When the medic starts screaming "Bite!" you know what's happening. I don't think they need to make a second one though. It's a novel idea, but that's its attraction for me. Novelty.
Ahh, Farscape. Sci-fi on acid. And filmed in Oz! Plus, In Crighton's Brain Scorpius was fun. One of the moments in that show that sticks out for me is when Crighton is throwing some one-episode bad guy around the room, shouting "Who's your daddy? Who's your daddy? D'Argo, tell him who his daddy is!"
And D'Argo, who's standing off to one side with his arms folded across his chest, says, "I'm your daddy."
Firefly: I own it. And the movie. There's a book of starmaps coming out for it, which I saw an excellent preview (http://io9.com/5093330/serenity-map-helps-you-plan-your-conquest-of-the-verse) of on i09. I'm trying to figure out a way to get someone to buy it for Christmas for me.
B5: Strangely, I never saw the fifth season. But this was because Channel 9 in Oz always bought all the sci-fi shows and then messed us around by irregularly showing them with starting times between 11pm and 12:30am on Thursday nights. Oh how I hated The Footy Show, which preceded it and was allowed to run as long it liked. But B5 provided several years of tremendous enjoyment to me and some of my friends. I still keep an eye out for JMS's comic work. His run on Spiderman is excellent, though I stopped at the convenient arc end-point of the Book of Ezekiel.
BSG: I've only seen up to the end of season 2. I'm still good with it. One day, I hope to see the rest. And why shouldn't robots be trying to find God? Weren't they made in the images of humans? (Okay, don't answer that, because I don't want to hear spoilers.) But a lot of people do seem to be a bit edgy about the direction it's taken.
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I hope he doesn't regret saying this,
"... Sure as day follows night. Sure as eggs is eggs. Sure as every odd numbered Star Trek movie is sh!t."
- Simon Pegg 1999
The trailer looks appauling, seems to me like Watchmen is going to be the big film for next year.
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I Hope the watchman film is shit. Not becuase I want it to be shit, I want it to be the best film adaptation of a comic book ever made. I just know that if I put an ounce of hope into it being any good at all itl turn out to be phantom menace all over again and I'm not sure I can die inside twice.
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I truly want watchmen to be a good movie, but im not sure if they have the balls to adapt it 100% true.
Although Sin City surprised me when it was made so maybe (i hope) Hollywood knows comics arent just about your clean cut hero types.
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I'm not sure I can die inside twice.
Bet you can. ;D
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http://pixelatedgeek.com/2009/03/new-star-trek-trailer-is-out-now/
Official trailer - a NEW one :)
ANd holy shit - that looks fucking epic beyond belief!
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looks fantastic
i always watch the star trek movies and enjoy them but dont get any re-watch value from them and i think its something to do with them being tv shows first.
this new one is not held back by that there are no expectations by ppl of what this movie should be.
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Oh God that movie is going to make me its bitch.
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Just in from a preview showing before general release tomorrow.
Brilliant, Im still figuring out bits of the plot, but thats nothing a rewatch or two wont help.
Not uber trek faithful, but its in the vein of the early movies rather than the TNG-cast movies :)
Well worth watching!
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Went and saw it myself I thought it was a brilliant film. But then again I am not an uber trekkie. Most of the whining seems to be they changed it so it sucks (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks)' Personally I thought it was the best trek film I have seen since first contact.