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Title: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on June 09, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Don't know how often I'll need it, but made a topic for it anyhoo.

What is grammatically/esthetically better?

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In our sample, when compared to the other age groups, patients aged 20-34 are diagnosed with latent PPO less frequently (0% vs. 4% and 1.6%) and patients aged 35-49 are diagnosed with a latent PPO more frequently (4% vs. 0% and 1.6%). Patients aged 50-64 are diagnosed with low level BPO more frequently, compared to patients in the other age groups (29.5% vs. 20% and 17%).

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In our sample, when compared to the other age groups, patients aged 20-34 less frequently are diagnosed with latent PPO (0% vs. 4% and 1.6%) and patients aged 35-49 more frequently are diagnosed with a latent PPO (4% vs. 0% and 1.6%). Patients aged 50-64 more frequently are diagnosed with low level BPO, compared to patients in the other age groups (29.5% vs. 20% and 17%).

Or am I doing it all wrong and is it more/less frequent?


Esp. looking at you here Garry, with your 'pointing out mistakes'-skillzzz  :P
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on June 09, 2011, 01:45:42 PM
hmm, just thought of a 3rd option, conf. Dutch grammar: 'are less frequently diagnosed with'
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Goatboy on June 09, 2011, 01:47:12 PM
1st = fine
2nd = wrong
3rd = meh
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on June 09, 2011, 02:22:49 PM
cheers  :)

initially had 2nd, then changed to 1st, but wasnt 100% sure
when 3rd option came to my mind I was even less sure  ;)
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Goatboy on June 09, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
Good luck with the writing. Never had to do one myself, but did spell check two of the gf's. The horror.
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on June 09, 2011, 03:01:53 PM
Yeah, just found out that two weeks ago I changed something in my analyses that put 80 (out of 357) out of action (and yeah, silly me, I didnt notice before). So may have to do the analyses AGAIN  ::)
It's not that I deleted the cases or something, but it does mean I have to (re)edit 2 pages of results, which is just annoying and a few hours down the drain.

Writing theses/thesises won't ever become my hobby, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Caradir on June 09, 2011, 03:14:45 PM
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In our sample, when compared to the other age groups, patients aged 20-34 are diagnosed with latent PPO less frequently (0% vs. 4% and 1.6%) and patients aged 35-49 are diagnosed with a latent PPO more frequently (4% vs. 0% and 1.6%). Patients aged 50-64 are diagnosed with low level BPO more frequently, compared to patients in the other age groups (29.5% vs. 20% and 17%).
 

 is best Grammatically but only if your writing in english :) i has no idea about grammar roolz in your native tongue :)
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on June 09, 2011, 03:21:02 PM
I am writing it in English
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Caradir on June 09, 2011, 03:30:23 PM
I am writing it in English

then there ya go :P

and heres your intro

blah blah much bollocks to come blah blah :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on July 27, 2011, 11:44:00 AM
So, got (quite) some corrections on my thesis.
Somewhere along the line the first reader suggests this sentence.

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The findings also suggest that the severity of symptomatology that a patient reports on a self-report is not so much related to the Axis I diagnosis, but rather to the level of PO of that patient.


Wondering about the underlined part. Not so much, or not as much?
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on July 27, 2011, 02:33:56 PM
*bumpity*
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Mangala on July 27, 2011, 02:39:54 PM
*bumpity*

That sentence gave me a headache earlier when I read it.

I don't like either of the possible inserts you have, but yet I cannot for the life of me, think of a viable alternate.  As for the actual question to be honest, either/or although not so works better and should read better - I still am trying to think of an alternate to either though.

Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Caradir on July 27, 2011, 02:46:12 PM
impatient

ive been thinking about it

think your focus is on the wrong part of the sentence, as nothing is really wrong with that section as is. My thought is you use of rather is a weak adjective

The findings also suggest that the severity of symptomatology that a patient reports on a self-report is not so much related to the Axis I diagnosis, but more accurately the level of PO of that patient.

Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on July 27, 2011, 03:51:05 PM
impatient

Sorry, but thought thread had maybe been 'snowed under' by vid and image threads.

Thanks for your input anyway. I'll leave it as is then.

And I think 'more accurately' is too strong a way to put it. Thx though...
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on August 25, 2011, 11:55:08 AM
I had to seriously redo the first part of my introduction, but now I just cant see if it still makes sense or not. Going over the same text over and over makes you blind to stuff.

Is this piece of text still logical and understandable? (esp first two paragraphs?)

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Mental health care patients with one and the same DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders – 4th ed.; American Psychiatric Association, 1994) classification may differ considerably concerning underlying dynamics, etiopathogenic characteristics (Luyten & Blatt, 2007; Westen, Sheldler, & Bradley, 2006) and trait profiles. Therefore no psychological or psychopharmacological treatment has an efficacy of 100% for any single disorder and consequently one particular treatment protocol might not work for every patient (van Kalmthout, 2008). One can imagine that when a patient does not match the profile on which the treatment protocol was based, this may result in an unsuccessful treatment or a treatment that lasts longer than expected and thus in a more costly treatment and prolonged suffering for the patient.

The (false) assumption of homogeneity was already recognized almost 50 years ago as the ‘assumption of uniformity’ or the idea that “patients at the start of treatment are more alike than they are different” (Colby, 1964, p. 359) while in fact patients are “much more different than they are alike” (Kiesler, 1966, p. 111)). In other words: Using only manifest phenomena, such as in the descriptive/categorical diagnosis of the DSM-IV, which underscores high reliability at the cost of validity (Gray, 2007), does not result in homogeneous groups. Because of the differences between patients with one and the same classification clinicians should not solely rely on the descriptive/categorical assessment of the DSM-IV, but also on the structural/dynamic assessment (Kernberg & Caligor, 2005) as is currently acknowledged in the new proposals for the assessment of personality pathology for DSM-5 (see www.DSM5.org; Skodol et al. 2011).

Structural/dynamic assessment is largely based on psychodynamic theory and assumes personality has an organization (Westen, 2000). This concept of personality organization describes the interdependency of affects, motives, cognition and behavior (Westen, 2000) and finds it’s origin in infancy when the perception of self and others develops by (partially) completing two tasks: In the earliest stages of a child’s development the child does not yet see a distinction between itself and the world around it: the whole world is an extension of itself, fulfilling all of its needs. The first task in the formation of identity is learning to make the distinction between self and objects - significant others, such as parents and/or caregivers, who appear to have their own needs and goals. The second task in the development is the integration of good and bad aspects of objects and of the self: the contradictory positive and negative affects which are at first seen as two different objects (‘splitting’) are integrated in whole entities that have both good and bad qualities (Mitchel & Black, 1995; Eurelings-Bontekoe, Onnink, Williams, & Snellen, 2008). According to Kernberg (1994) the strength of the personality structure depends on how well these developmental tasks have been accomplished.  The outcome of these developmental tasks can be measured using three dimensions: identity integration vs. identity diffusion, defense mechanisms (predominantly mature/neurotic vs. predominantly primitive) and reality testing (absent, frail or good) (Kernberg & Caligor, 2005; Eurelings-Bontekoe, et al., 2008). These dimensions can be used to distinguish three personality organizations: neurotic (NPO), borderline (BPO) and psychotic (PPO; Kernberg, 1975), where the NPO represents the strongest and the PPO the weakest personality structure.
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Mangala on August 25, 2011, 03:45:40 PM
Playing Civ4, dont want to say I'll help with this as if it isnt timely I'll get moaned at.

 ::) :'( :-\

However saying that, I can see some changes id make, but i'll get to them "eventually" :)
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Caradir on August 25, 2011, 03:51:16 PM
Playing Civ4, dont want to say I'll help with this as if it isnt timely I'll get moaned at.

 ::) :'( :-\

hahahahahaha  saffy does give us a row for not replying to this quickly :P

made me blind after 1 read matey ;)

reads fine though and a great sleeping aid to boot :D :D :D
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on August 25, 2011, 05:51:31 PM
 
Playing Civ4, dont want to say I'll help with this as if it isnt timely I'll get moaned at.

 ::) :'( :-\

However saying that, I can see some changes id make, but i'll get to them "eventually" :)

 :-*
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Warcold on October 12, 2011, 11:03:54 AM
Fiiiiinally got a grade today. 75/100, so not too shabby.
The first reader told me earlier that she had 80 in mind, but apparently the second reader was less impressed... Ah well  :)


Oh and btw, this means I can graduate now. At last! Yay!  ;D
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Caradir on October 12, 2011, 11:19:22 AM
congrats !!!!

now go get a job you layabout student mofo :P (jealous)
Title: Re: Thesis: esthetics, grammar etc.
Post by: Mangala on October 12, 2011, 01:27:22 PM
Awesome news buddy!

Been a long road but its all done now!!