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Our heraldry is this:
(http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/herfull1.jpg)
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Anything involving alcohol.
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Looks like a few involving booze, 53 to 56 appear to be beer kegs and 68 to 72 seem to be beer stiens. dwarvish of course :)
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I'd go for those indeed ;D
With the colours showed 56 and 72 appeal to me most, but with a different backgroundcolour this might change, so do whatcha wanna do ;)
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my personal favourite is 66 with its runic symbols, followed by 71 and 72 for , well, its beer symbology.and 121 for the comet and hammer combo, "Hammer of justice crushes you. Overpower."
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93. It has to be 93.
In hommage to HoJ of old, with a nice WAR twist.
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Looks like a few involving booze, 53 to 56 appear to be beer kegs and 68 to 72 seem to be beer stiens. dwarvish of course :)
Bah I just noticed I did the numbers below the pics not above, SLAP! it.s 43 to 46 and 58 to 62 I was looking at.
DOH! :-[
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We have reached rank 10!
Now Heraldry becomes an option...
5 Banner styles;
78 background "fields";
276 Emblems to choose from;
30 colours or so for both background and emblem...
Thats what I have to deal with... No links or images as yet (except for ones of the standard styles - I'll add them tomorrow when the image is cropped).
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So as I said in the Heraldry thread (http://handsofjustice.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=165.0) we have 5 options for the shape of our Standards (that we deployed to grand effect on Saturday evening), and they are as follows (click the links, I dont fancy making this a page stretching thread...):
Picture 1 (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/Beosvir%5EM_040.jpg)
Picture 2 (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/Beosvir%5EM_041.jpg)
Picture 3 (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/Beosvir%5EM_042.jpg)
Picture 4 (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/Beosvir%5EM_043.jpg)
Picture 5 (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/Beosvir%5EM_044.jpg)
Check them out and vote for your favourite layout. The poll will last for 7 days from today following which we shall have a shape. (This gives me plenty of time to play about with the basics of Heraldry too...)
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Vote picture 1 for great justice
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Either 1 or 4 I says!
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4 or 5 are ok to me.
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i likes 5 , 4s good too ;)
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5 without a doubt
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Could those pics BE any larger in file size? /Ross
Pointy bottom one nr 4 is more dwarfish, so that one got my vote.
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Are those staying our guld colours? I'll grab some dyes in a minute :)
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Its got to be 5. More in keeping with the middle ages type setting.
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Are those staying our guld colours? I'll grab some dyes in a minute :)
Nope. Working on stage of the whole heraldry thing at a time. So many choices that it'll be a while ;)
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voted 4, 5 would work for me too, but had to choose one
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I vote 5 too. I just like the way the bottom tapers out
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As I said in this thread (http://handsofjustice.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=165.0) I spent some time looking through alot of background patterns/fields for our Heraldry - what will end up displayed both on our Standard & our Guild Cloaks.
I do not rate most of the options, very very Elvish borders with a plain field being the larger choices in there, however I did manage to settle on the ones you all have the option to vote on. In this poll I am allowing people a maximum of 2 votes each, as I notice from the last poll that many people had difficulty choosing between 2 of the choices presented.
1: (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald15.jpg) 2. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald12.jpg)
3. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald3.jpg) 4. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald13.jpg)
5. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald16.jpg) 6. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald11.jpg)
7. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald7.jpg) 8. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald8.jpg)
9. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald9.jpg) 10. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald0.jpg)
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So I have sat down and gone through all the 78 background fields/patterns and picked out the ones I like the best and screenied how they look using the ingame viewer. Ignore the temporary emblem for now, whatever we choose is not displayed until Rank20 so I am holding off on looking at those for another day or so.
Please see this poll thread (http://handsofjustice.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=233) for the images. You will notice that I have blue set as the pattern color on the majority, I'm reserving the right to keep this as the patterns colour, but the background colour is open to discussion (not pink mind you!) in the next few days. (What can I say, I like blue :D). Once these choices are made we can then revisit the emblems and check them all out and find one for ourselves :)
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#3 pleases my eye most, but #2 is ok too I guess :)
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As for my own thoughts on emblems - I like these:
11: (http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem011.jpg) 29: (http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem029.jpg) 64: (http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem064.jpg)
66: (http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem066.jpg) 69: (http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem069.jpg) 81: (http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem081.jpg)
110: (http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem110.jpg)
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#81 is the only one IMO that is not purely dwarfish :)
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#81 is the only one IMO that is not purely dwarfish :)
And here I was thinking no-one would notice ;)
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Nice work Beo, I am looking forward to wearing the cloak. I voted 6 and 8. No. 2 is very similar to no. 8 so that would be ok as well. Not that we had three votes but....
I think brown-yellow will be a more unusual choice and that is why it got my vote.
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In a patriotic sense, i'm going with (1) as its the closest resemblance to George Cross :)
RULE BRITANIA!!
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Just FYI, there is a post on the warhammer alliance forums which showed that if you chose Number 5 as a standard, then the bottom of the guild cloaks are currently also coming out that shape.
I am not sure if it is a bug, but it certainly raised a few eyebrows in the guild that chose it:-)
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The goats say 3 or 9.
And thanks for making this a very well organised public vote. :)
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I like 1 .. the whole medieval look with the crenellation at the bottom.
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I went for the geometric patterns that look dwarvish of 7 and 9. Like the brown colour, very unusual.
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Not sure on 3- the way the background splits the front symbols is a bit weird
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I like 1 .. the whole medieval look with the crenellation at the bottom.
I call thee brother.
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I've seen a few guilds about have recently picked up the ability to display the heraldry on their member's cloaks. Every single one of them has picked the pattern described in pics 2, 6 or 8, which I largely cannot distinguish because they're all so similar. For this reason I'd steer clear of them. Though they do look ace.
9 and 10 look curious - the pattern doesn't really mesh at all. I sort of like 3, but agree that it's a little jarring with the symbols in the foreground.
1 or 3. 3 if it can be made to look better with a different emblem.
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I like the blue and white, it will look good on armour once the right shade of blue is available :)
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I think brown-yellow will be a more unusual choice and that is why it got my vote.
Surely, this is a field/pattern poll (just like the first was an overall shape poll), not a colour poll. Taken to its logical conclusion (which I have no idea if Beosvir intends, but it sounds good, does it not?), this will be followed by a symbol poll and a colour poll - colours being best chosen after all the shapes have been finalized. :)
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Not sure on 3- the way the background splits the front symbols is a bit weird
I'm thinking this will be less of an issue if we go for a single larger figure in the foreground, which I'm assuming we will - most of the heraldry available is one large item instead of multiple smaller figures iirc.
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There will be 2 other polls as Peter has rightly surmised. Colour & Emblem - I'll be examining the selections over the next day or so and going from there :)
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Has anyone noticed that 1 and 4 are the same patterns?
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Has anyone noticed that 1 and 4 are the same patterns?
Uhm, I didnt and I created them...
Game needs to be up now! So i can get the correct ones again (Cant see them in my screenies file...)
(I'll most likely reset this poll and add a day or two extra to it to rectify this situation)
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Poll has been reset and extended until Wednesday. Due to me posting a couple of options that where the same and not noticing.
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Has anyone noticed that 1 and 4 are the same patterns?
Same pattern but different shape - I was under the impression that it was the token option presenting a last ditch possibility of choosing another shape than the one the leadership had decided on following the last poll, but it must be admitted that it sounds much more likely to be a mistake. :)
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Hi All,
I just wanted people to be aware of the issues of cloak shape and banner shape. I have mentioned this before, but not seen anyone else comment so thought I would point it out again :P
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144306
Basically the bottom of the banner that can be different shapes also is seen in the cloaks, so if you choose an inverted V shape for your banner, your guild cloaks will be cut out at the bottom in an inverted V. Same for the other shapes so think hard about that shape!
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I like that idea, its a feature and not a bug (thankfully), as per the last guy in that thread and from spending too much time on the heraldry screen myself.
Having squared off cloaks and the like will even with heraldry still keep a feeling of sameness on the battlefield between characters from differing regiments, whereas in Medieval settings there was considerable differences in uniform (heck even amongst the same regiments at times!).
The inverted V shape would look the best in that situation, the downwards V on the other hand would only look right if it does not lengthen the cloak beyond current limits (ie a dwarf suddenly has a 3rd of his cloak in the floor), and it doesnt seem like it does anyway - the standard stays the same length in the preview imagery.
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I have seen screenshots of the cut out V, and I have seen the pointed V in game, and the pointed V is the same length as the other cloaks.
I have my favourite:-)
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thinking out loud here:
5 is a nono for me cloakwise
2, 6, 7, 8 too plain for my taste
pattern of 9, although its bit dwarven-ish, which i like... but still... nah...
this leaves 1, 3, 4 & 10
I think 10 can be very interesting. In this setting it seems a bit simple, but if you set a dark background with a light foreground (e.g. 'gold' on dark red) ánd if the emblem fits right into the shield, this could be cool. Could be a ++ for me.
1 gets a +/-, 3 and 4 get a +
So voted 3, 4, 10
[edit]could only vote for 2 patterns, so ditched 3, cause it wont look as cool on a cloak IMHO[/edit]
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Personally, I like the elven symbolism most. 185, 220, 223, 224 and 232 are my favourites of those.
However, given that we have a mix of all races I think we should probably avoid anything that shouts any particular race. There are precious few of them, though.
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I would choose something simple and preferably unique on Hirn as well.
262 would be perfect if you ask me :)
It is easily recognizable from afar.
Just my 2c.
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Number 5 wins.
Inverted V:
(http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/Beosvir%5EM_044.jpg)
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Its the first of the 2 BIG polls for this week on this particular topic. Title says it all really.
I have spent alot of time trying to find ones that are as neutral as possible in regards to a specific race, but also thrown in a couple that show the dwarf in us all.. *What can I say the dwarf ones are pretty good overall!* One or two are the same basic emblem but a different color (not chosen by me, it is hard coded as part of the Emblem selection), but still nice enough for me to include as an option.
Poll will run for 5 days, and I am allowing 2 vote per person (to counter any fence sitters!).
1. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/emblem01.jpg) 2. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/emblem010.jpg)
3. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/emblem02.jpg) 4. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/emblem06.jpg)
5. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/emblem08.jpg) 6. (http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/emblem05.jpg)
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Two eagles in there... perhaps we can just use one eagle this vote and decide on a colour for the emblem later?
Think I'll pass on this one. Not much there to my personal liking. I quite fancied the idea of fighting for cock (http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem099.jpg).
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Where eagles dare!
I voted number 4, but could live with number 6 too :)
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Given that so many of the symbols are in sets that differ only by colour I think you could have maybe given a much wider choice on symbols and then given us a choice of colour later.
The eagles are the nicest on offer there but there isn't much choice for people who like clean simple lines.
The eagles are probably the only ones I'd show on my cloak. Five isn't bad but it's far too dwarfy for me, and the first three are far too pernickety and literal.
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I have only been in the guild a little while so feel a bit funny about saying something like this, but I am not particulaly keen on any of the above. I just wanted to say that so if I mentioned it later no one would say I should have voted:-)
Don't take it personally, I don't! :D
Happy voting to everyone else.
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Stephen, agree in some ways with what you say, but non racial, simple choices pretty much are thin on the ground. And whats left after that are mainly heavily elfish, dwarvish or very human (although they do look ok for that), not sure if we see the destro ones as I cant recall any decidely evil ones.
As for the colours of the Emblem - didnt think of that, but given the choices overall it was pretty hard to choose those I did.
If we wouldnt get 1 differing image per member, i'd add a suggestions option to the poll, but we'd never get it sorted!
Nushka, it had to be said and I am glad someone did, always best to have other views on a subject :)
Seriously this is what i had to work with though guys:
http://interpim.com/emblems/
And frankly the choices arent that great as I have said above. Especially for nice, tidy and best of all none racial....
One last, I suppose we could just go with a pattern and no emblem :)
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Where is the dove wing emblem? Make piece, not war? Err i wanted to say make such war that there is eternal piece afterwards ... :P
(EDIT: that is nr 270 or 266 FTW ... Pax Romanum anyone?)
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Did we decide on a background pattern yet? I thought we had, though I'm not sure which (and I'm way too lazy to go check). I think it'll be much easier to decide on an emblem if we have our chosen background pattern on each of the options. As it is, because there's a different background on these pics, it's difficult to choose impartially.
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Do you have a Finnish girlfriend Beo :)
Ok, Finland is a nice country with lovely people and we have quite a few in the guild but I don't know if I want to run around with their flag on my back. What if they beat us at icehockey and every step I take I will be reminded about it. The horror! the horror!
I vote for the non-finnish flag version but with the golden eagle thingy on it. There you have it, I am thinking out of the box :)
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Do you have a Finnish girlfriend Beo :)
Shhh... He believes it is the cross of St.George ;)
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Being a fan of simplicity i voted for 5. Don't mind the dwarviness (or watchacallit?)
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No one ever said the job was easy, boss. :D
It is a beehive to pick a few from so many. I think having one that is really neutral will be hard, as most if not all of them are linked to one of the races.
Maybe muddle on for a while and in the end go for Pedocracy... or Beocracy...
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From these, I'd go for the eagles. If you insist on keeping the background white, I prefer the golden eagle.
Also, you may want to take into account the following:
Tinctures are the colors used in heraldry, though a number of patterns called "furs" and the depiction of charges in their natural colors or "proper" are also regarded as tinctures, the latter distinct from any color such a depiction might approximate. Since heraldry is essentially a system of identification, the most important convention of heraldry is the rule of tincture. To provide for contrast and visibility, metals (generally lighter tinctures) must never be placed on metals, and colors (generally darker tinctures) must never be placed on colors. Where a charge overlays a partition of the field, the rule does not apply. There are other exceptions - the most famous being the gold crosses on white chosen as the arms of Godfrey of Bouillon when he was made King of Jerusalem.[18]
The names used in English blazon for the colors and metals come mainly from French and include Or (gold), Argent (white), Azure (blue), Gules (red), Sable (black), Vert (green), and Purpure (purple). A number of other colors are occasionally found, typically for special purposes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldry
Btw, I also like this one:
(http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem093.jpg)
(whistles innocently)
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Justice... Isnt that something with a sword?
(http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem094.jpg)
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I do like the sword with the swirly banner. Quite general, not highly race specific as the others.
If I can't fight for cock, I'll fight for swirly banner swords.
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the sword isnt Justice as a whole it is merely a portion of it the other half usually being a book, or scales to represent the fairness before the retribution that can be brought to bear.
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Justice... Isnt that something with a sword?
(http://interpim.com/emblems/th_emblem094.jpg)
I like this :) I would vote this one if iur illustrious leader would see it fit to be option :)
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Voted 3+4, but I must admit I'd drop both votes in favour of the Sword and ribbon (or any flag with a bear on it :)) in a heartbeat.
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Swohord! Ribbon! Swoohooord! Riiiibboooon! :D
Sorry. :-X
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Number 3 wins:
(http://travel.jonsimmers.com/pictures/albums/userpics/normal_herald3.jpg)
A colour poll will be up later now we have pattern/field and banner/cloak shape settled.
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book, or scales to represent the fairness
who said anything about fairness??
kill orc first, ask later ;D