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EVE Online / PvP Moa

« on: February 05, 2010, 03:15:28 PM »

I would again like some comments. I am planning to take this sort of a Moa for tonights alliance roam, unless there are some outburts of protests. I know it is pretty expensive with the rigs, but I am sort of willing to take the risk.



The design-philosophy

Range 5-20 km: With blasters the optimal range is well inside 3 km with my skills, and that is not a safe place to be in 0.0. Smaller railguns have piss-poor DPS (T2 ones have pretty good, but I can't fit T2 Medium railguns). 250mm railguns with antimatter ammo provides an optimal range of 20 km and nice DPS (even better with faction ammo, if I just happen to have any in store). Can't fit the 250mm guns without the rigs though, which could be a major pain.

Gank vs tank: While my main concern with this build was to have as good dps as possible, I want to have some change at living for a few seconds if under fire. 13k EHP isn't much, but perhaps it could be enough to live to another day.

E-war: Fitting in a target painter or warp disruptor sees the capacitor run dry very very fast. I can fit e-war drones though (any of the small ones), and I fitted in energy neutralisers as an example (mainly to be able to suck tacklers dry if that is needed).

Other: The last high-slot could have a small vampire or a small remote repper (not enough power grid to mount an assault missile launcher, not to mention medium vampire), so I decided to fit in a small remote hull-repper if that is needed after combat (can't really use during combat, as the range is pisspoor and the capacitor would run dry too fast).


Please, comments. Is it utter madness to take such a boat to a PvP roam? I know it is expensive, but I just *want* to use for once something that has a decent kick in it...

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Warhammer Online / Patch 1.3.4 in February?

« on: January 29, 2010, 07:22:51 AM »

No patch notes available yet, but this post from Andy Belforf from Mythic.

Folks,

 

Everyone has been asking for more details about 1.3.4. Well, while I can't provide the patch notes, just yet, I can certainly give you a bit more information than what was discussed in Bruce's Producers Letter, including a rough timeline:

 

 At this point the plan is to have 1.3.4 on PTS by the first week of February or (at the latest) early the second week of February. Patch notes, of course, will accompany the opening of Warpstone.

We will be introducing an entire new line of weapons earned via RvR (this is the "feature players have been asking for"). These weapons will be purchasable via a vendor and will not be bought using medallions or crests, instead utilizing an entirely new currency system earned via Scenario gameplay from tiers 1-4. More information about these new items and how they're earned will be forthcoming in a Dev Diary with Developer Sean Bosshardt.

Speaking of Scenarios...

We are completely reworking the current structure of Scenarios by removing some of the less popular and streamlining the tiering of Scenarios. There will be more details upcoming in a Dev Diary from Content/RvR Lead Mike Wyatt next month. 

The last tidbit is a change to the way that the campaign functions. Starting with 1.3.4, once a Contested City flips into the Captured state (otherwise called "Stage 2") the Open RvR Campaign will now restart, leaving the realm sieging their enemies city with a tough decision: Stay in the city, possibly defeating your opponent's King, or retreat back to the open field to defend your realm?

So there's a little more meat to some of the changes coming in game update 1.3.4. Obviously we're pretty excited about these items and even more excited to talk about 1.3.5 and beyond in Bruce's next producers letter which will coincide with the launch of 1.3.4 on all live servers. We've had a great 6 months of improving every aspect of WAR and we're more focused than ever on continuing to deliver on what our players want: Fast hitting, skull crushing and engaging Realm vs. Realm combat.

 

There's never been a better time to join the WAR!


 


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Andy Belford
Community Coordinator
Mythic Entertainment
Nerf Lizards

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EVE Online / EVEmon, character bazaar and meaning of life

« on: January 24, 2010, 07:18:17 AM »

Right. So I got last week this cunning plan. I'd send myself an extended trial, upgrade that to an account, thus get 51 days of gaming time. I had heard many good things of the new (ie which were introduced last spring) tuturials (which I've never done), I thought to make a gallente toon to practise with drones a bit (as I was/am confused with all things related with drones), train up all learning skills to level 4 and hit skills skills to fly a Dominix (I chose this build from Battleclinic as my goal), and then sell it over the Bazaar at the official forums before game time runs out.

Now for the questions. Is there any way to figure out from EVEMon how many skill points I'll have at the end of training (which will be accordinf to EVEMon on day 47 of the existence of the toon)? Looking at the toons at sale on the Bazaar, there doesn't seem to be any ~2 month old toons on sale, so maybe I should cough up one more month of play time and train up some more skills? My plan was not to get rich on this (as the primary thing I wanted was to see the new tutorials and to learn to use drones), but at least half a billion ISK would have been nice for the effort



The sad point is that I am actually liking the toon, more and more. Last night when I went to bed, I caught myself from thinking "I won't sell him, it will be nice flying missions while triple-boxing"... I must remain stern!

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General Gaming / Planet M.U.L.E.

« on: January 23, 2010, 03:45:45 PM »

http://www.planetmule.com/

OMG, OMG! It's M.U.L.E!

It works, it is the good old M.U.L.E, and you can play it solo, two persons on same computer or over the net. Even the music is the same!

Oh, the happy days of my youth are here again!


You'll find me as Swuul online

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EVE Online / Drones and corp hangar

« on: January 23, 2010, 10:55:48 AM »

To which department should I have put the sentinel drones from last nights PvP roam? I didn't see any drones in any department, so I dumped them to "Ships". I presume that is the wrong one, but at least they are easy to find from there :p

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EVE Online / Tanking bait Osprey

« on: January 21, 2010, 07:32:21 AM »

Hello, it is I, Leclerc.

Err, no, it is I, Jarkko, with my mad ideas again!

What would you target in a cruiser-frigate fleet? Would you target that scrembling frigate, or that E-war Blackbird, or that Osprey shield-repping them?

Dunno, I'd be a noob and go by the primary rule of any MMO PvP's I've played in: "KILL THE HEALER FIRST, FFS!"

Thus I came up with the idea of a live bait Osprey. There are absolutely zero tanky fits for Ospreys on ze interwebz, prolly because you won't be able to fit much about anything. But you can fit one remote-repper!



Ok, so the ship can't do much except take quite a bit of punishment for being a cruiser. Oh, it can rep 394 shields per 4.5 seconds, which could make a Blacbird or a tackling frigate live for quite a bit longer. With practically zero mobility the last line of defense would be to jump out of the gate (if fighting at a gate), which means one shouldn't take any offensive thingies (like combat or e-war drones, for example; although remote repping drones could be used, but they don't appear to be that great tbh).

Please, do point out all the reasons why this is a stupid idea

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The Dog & Duck / Alcohol should be banned for people over 40 years

« on: January 18, 2010, 10:38:09 AM »

We had a farewell party for one of workers (who got retired) on Saturday. We started with a brunch at about 16 local time, and the list things I remember are from about 21.

It should be forbidden for people over 40 to drink alcohol. Older than 40 people should not be allowed out on town at weekend evenings.

My left knee is all bloodied, I have very sore bulb on my forehead. Hapily nobody seems here at work remember much either, but they all agree it was good they were not in as bad shape as I was.

Next time I'll drink a glass of water and head home immediatly, saying I have fever and headache. Besides, beer tastes much better at home, and there is no younger collegues trying to get you drunk with all sorts of fancy shots and whatnots...

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EVE Online / Playing EVE the cheap way

« on: January 12, 2010, 06:34:36 AM »

So, I have been on the "Play EVE 5 days for free" welcomeback trial. This morning I got an offer I can not resist: $9.95 per month if I activate the account during this period.

$10 is just ~6 real money (aka euros), or does CCP have policy of $1 = 1€? If it is 6€ for month, then it is about half price to normal. Wonder if I can buy more than one month for this offer...

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EVE Online / Advice on which way to head

« on: January 08, 2010, 10:57:51 AM »

I activated Swuul's account this morning, at least now for the five free days. So I might go AWOL again, but I might not.  Most of my stuff seems to be in Anttiri and Kubinen, and that is good (the Hawk Mangala gave me is down in Fountain, and I guess it will stay there for the time being :p). The cruisers I handed over to the corp are somewhere (prolly nowhere by now ), that is not an issue. Swuul still has the Harpy, Basilisk, Badger Mk II and an Osprey in Anttiri (I think Swuleia, when I activate that account, has all her stuff in Anttiri, so will be able to eat rocks immediatly).

Anyway, could I please get some advice on where to head with Swuul now? Both regarding ships&gear, and skills.

Swuul's current situation:

Swuul

Attributes
Intelligence: 24,84
Perception: 19,44
Charisma:  6,48
Willpower: 18,36
Memory: 18,36

Corporation Management
Anchoring
CFO Training
Chief Science Officer
Corporation Management
Empire Control
Ethnic Relations
Factory Management
Intelligence Analyst
Megacorp Management
Public Relations
Refinery Management
Sovereignty
Starbase Defense Management
Starbase Management
Station Management
Total Skillpoints in Group: 0

Drones
Advanced Drone Interfacing
Amarr Drone Specialization
Caldari Drone Specialization
Combat Drone Operation
Drone Durability
Drone Interfacing
Drone Navigation
Drone Sharpshooting
Drones
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing
Fighter Bombers
Fighters
Gallente Drone Specialization
Heavy Drone Operation
Mining Drone Operation
Mining Drone Specialization
Minmatar Drone Specialization
Propulsion Jamming Drone Interfacing
Repair Drone Operation
Salvage Drone Operation
Scout Drone Operation
Sentry Drone Interfacing
TEST Drone Skill
Total Skillpoints in Group: 257 500

Electronics
Advanced Sensor Upgrades
Cloaking
Cynosural Field Theory
Electronic Warfare
Electronics
Electronics Upgrades
Frequency Modulation
Hypereuclidean Navigation
Imperial Navy Security Clearance
Long Distance Jamming
Long Range Targeting
Multitasking
Projected Electronic Counter Measures
Propulsion Fall Off
Propulsion Jamming
Propulsion Optimal Range
Propulsion Stasis Strength
Propulsion WS Strength
Sensor Linking
Signal Dispersion
Signal Suppression
Signature Analysis
Signature Focusing
Survey
Target Painting
Targeting
Tournament Observation
Turret Destabilization
Weapon Disruption
Total Skillpoints in Group: 1 601 244

Engineering
Advanced Energy Grid Upgrades
Advanced Shield Upgrades
Capital Energy Emission Systems
Capital Shield Emission Systems
Capital Shield Operation
EM Shield Compensation
Energy Emission Systems
Energy Grid Upgrades
Energy Management
Energy Pulse Weapons
Energy Systems Operation
Engineering
Explosive Shield Compensation
Kinetic Shield Compensation
Shield Compensation
Shield Emission Systems
Shield Management
Shield Operation
Shield Upgrades
Tactical Shield Manipulation
Thermic Shield Compensation
Total Skillpoints in Group: 647 119

Gunnery
Advanced Weapon Upgrades
Armor Breaching
Capital Energy Turret
Capital Hybrid Turret
Capital Projectile Turret
Controlled Bursts
Gunnery
Large Artillery Specialization
Large Autocannon Specialization
Large Beam Laser Specialization
Large Blaster Specialization
Large Energy Turret
Large Hybrid Turret
Large Projectile Turret
Large Pulse Laser Specialization
Large Railgun Specialization
Medium Artillery Specialization
Medium Autocannon Specialization
Medium Beam Laser Specialization
Medium Blaster Specialization
Medium Energy Turret
Medium Hybrid Turret
Medium Projectile Turret
Medium Pulse Laser Specialization
Medium Railgun Specialization
Motion Prediction
Rapid Firing
Sharpshooter
Shield Piercing
Small Artillery Specialization
Small Autocannon Specialization
Small Beam Laser Specialization
Small Blaster Specialization
Small Energy Turret
Small Hybrid Turret
Small Projectile Turret
Small Pulse Laser Specialization
Small Railgun Specialization
Surgical Strike
Tactical Weapon Reconfiguration
Trajectory Analysis
Weapon Upgrades
Total Skillpoints in Group: 1 036 538

Industry
Advanced Mass Production
Amarr Tech
Arkonor Processing
Bistot Processing
Caldari Tech
Crokite Processing
Dark Ochre Processing
Deep Core Mining
Drug Manufacturing
Gallente Tech
Gas Cloud Harvesting
Gas Harvesting
Gneiss Processing
Hedbergite Processing
Hemorphite Processing
Ice Harvesting
Ice Processing
Industrial Reconfiguration
Industry
Jaspet Processing
Kernite Processing
Mass Production
Mercoxit Processing
Mining
Mining Upgrades
Minmatar Tech
Mobile Factory Operation
Mobile Refinery Operation
Omber Processing
Ore Compression
Plagioclase Processing
Production Efficiency
Pyroxeres Processing
Refinery Efficiency
Refining
Scordite Processing
Scrapmetal Processing
Spodumain Processing
Supply Chain Management
Veldspar Processing
Total Skillpoints in Group: 1 665

Leadership
Armored Warfare
Armored Warfare Specialist
Caldari Navy Doctrine
Federation Navy Doctrine
Fleet Command
Imperial Navy Doctrine
Information Warfare
Information Warfare Specialist
Leadership
Mining Director
Mining Foreman
Minmatar Navy Doctrine
Siege Warfare
Siege Warfare Specialist
Skirmish Warfare
Skirmish Warfare Specialist
Warfare Link Specialist
Wing Command
Total Skillpoints in Group: 250

Learning
Analytical Mind
Clarity
Eidetic Memory
Empathy
Focus
Instant Recall
Iron Will
Learning
Logic
Presence
Spatial Awareness
Total Skillpoints in Group: 322 525

Mechanic
Advanced Hull Upgrades
Armor Rigging
Astronautics Rigging
Battleship Construction
Capital Remote Armor Repair Systems
Capital Remote Hull Repair Systems
Capital Repair Systems
Capital Ship Construction
Cruiser Construction
Drones Rigging
Electronic Superiority Rigging
EM Armor Compensation
Energy Weapon Rigging
Explosive Armor Compensation
Frigate Construction
Hull Upgrades
Hybrid Weapon Rigging
Industrial Construction
Jury Rigging
Kinetic Armor Compensation
Launcher Rigging
Mechanic
Mobile Repair Bay Operation
Nanite Interfacing
Nanite Operation
Outpost Construction
Projectile Weapon Rigging
Remote Armor Repair Systems
Remote Hull Repair Systems
Repair Systems
Salvaging
Shield Rigging
Structural Analyzis
Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration
Thermic Armor Compensation
Titan Construction
Total Skillpoints in Group: 301 994

Missile Launcher Operation
Bomb Deployment
Citadel Cruise Missiles
Citadel Torpedoes
Cruise Missile Specialization
Cruise Missiles
Defender Missiles
FoF Missiles
Guided Missile Precision
Heavy Assault Missile Specialization
Heavy Assault Missiles
Heavy Missile Specialization
Heavy Missiles
Missile Bombardment
Missile Guidance
Missile Launcher Operation
Missile Projection
Rapid Launch
Rocket Specialization
Rockets
Standard Missile Specialization
Standard Missiles
Target Navigation Prediction
Torpedo Specialization
Torpedoes
Warhead Upgrades
Total Skillpoints in Group: 852 294

Navigation
Acceleration Control
Afterburner
Evasive Maneuvering
Fuel Conservation
High Speed Maneuvering
Jump Drive Calibration
Jump Drive Operation
Jump Fuel Conservation
Navigation
Warp Drive Operation
Warp Navigation
Total Skillpoints in Group: 93 010

Science
Advanced Laboratory Operation
Amarr Encryption Methods
Amarrian Starship Engineering
Archaeology
Astrogeology
Astrometric Acquisition
Astrometric Pinpointing
Astrometric Rangefinding
Astrometrics
Astronautic Engineering
Biology
Caldari Encryption Methods
Caldari Starship Engineering
Cloning Facility Operation
Cybernetics
Defensive Subsystem Technology
Diagnostics Interfaces
Doomsday Operation
Duplicating
Electromagnetic Physics
Electronic Engineering
Electronic Subsystem Technology
Engineering Subsystem Technology
Gallente Encryption Methods
Gallentean Starship Engineering
Genetic Engineering
Graviton Physics
Gunnery Interfaces
Hacking
High Energy Physics
Hydromagnetic Physics
Hypernet Science
Infomorph Psychology
Jump Portal Generation
Laboratory Operation
Laser Physics
Mechanical Engineering
Metallurgy
Minmatar Encryption Methods
Minmatar Starship Engineering
Mnemonics
Molecular Engineering
Nanite Control
Nanite Engineering
Neurotoxin Recovery
Nuclear Physics
Offensive Subsystem Technology
Plasma Physics
Propulsion Subsystem Technology
Quantum Physics
Remote Interfaces
Research
Research Project Management
Reverse Engineering
Rocket Science
Science
Scientific Networking
Sleeper Technology
Takmahl Technology
Talocan Technology
Thermodynamics
Yan Jung Technology
Total Skillpoints in Group: 46 793

Social
Bounty Hunting
Bureaucratic Connections
Connections
Criminal Connections
DED Connections
Diplomacy
Fast Talk
Financial Connections
High Tech Connections
Labor Connections
Media
Military Connections
Negotiation
Political Connections
Social
Trade Connections
Total Skillpoints in Group: 750

Spaceship Command
Advanced Spaceship Command
Amarr Battleship
Amarr Carrier
Amarr Cruiser
Amarr Dreadnought
Amarr Freighter
Amarr Frigate
Amarr Industrial
Amarr Strategic Cruiser
Amarr Titan
Assault Ships
Battlecruisers
Black Ops
Bombers
Caldari Battleship
Caldari Carrier
Caldari Cruiser
Caldari Dreadnought
Caldari Freighter
Caldari Frigate
Caldari Industrial
Caldari Strategic Cruiser
Caldari Titan
Capital Industrial Ships
Capital Ships
Carriers
Command Ships
Concord
Covert Ops
Destroyers
Electronic Attack Ships
Exhumers
Flagships
Gallente Battleship
Gallente Carrier
Gallente Cruiser
Gallente Dreadnought
Gallente Freighter
Gallente Frigate
Gallente Industrial
Gallente Strategic Cruiser
Gallente Titan
Heavy Assault Ships
Heavy Interdictors
Industrial Command Ships
Interceptors
Interdictors
Jove Battleship
Jove Cruiser
Jove Frigate
Jove Industrial
Jump Freighters
Logistics
Marauders
Mining Barge
Minmatar Battleship
Minmatar Carrier
Minmatar Cruiser
Minmatar Dreadnought
Minmatar Freighter
Minmatar Frigate
Minmatar Industrial
Minmatar Strategic Cruiser
Minmatar Titan
Omnipotent
Polaris
Recon Ships
Spaceship Command
Transport Ships
Total Skillpoints in Group: 2 630 416

Subsystems
Amarr Defensive Systems
Amarr Electronic Systems
Amarr Engineering Systems
Amarr Offensive Systems
Amarr Propulsion Systems
Caldari Defensive Systems
Caldari Electronic Systems
Caldari Engineering Systems
Caldari Offensive Systems
Caldari Propulsion Systems
Gallente Defensive Systems
Gallente Electronic Systems
Gallente Engineering Systems
Gallente Offensive Systems
Gallente Propulsion Systems
Minmatar Defensive Systems
Minmatar Electronic Systems
Minmatar Engineering Systems
Minmatar Offensive Systems
Minmatar Propulsion Systems
Total Skillpoints in Group: 0

Trade
Accounting
Black Market Trading
Broker Relations
Consumable Freight
Contracting
Corporation Contracting
Daytrading
Drone Freight
General Freight
Hazardous Material Freight
Margin Trading
Marketing
Mineral Freight
Munitions Freight
Procurement
Raw Material Freight
Retail
Smuggling
Starship Freight
Tax Evasion
Test
TEST TRADE SKILL
Trade
Tycoon
Visibility
Wholesale
Total Skillpoints in Group: 0

Total Skillpoints: 7 792 098
Total Number of Skills: 95

Skills at Level 1: 34
Skills at Level 2: 10
Skills at Level 3: 20
Skills at Level 4: 16
Skills at Level 5: 14

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Lord of the Rings Online / Chests in the Kinship house

« on: December 26, 2009, 01:32:20 PM »

I took the liberty to tidy up the chests in the Kinship house. I vendored the now obsolete book-pages (ie the ones which got worthless at the launch of SoM). Many of the class-items can now be stacked to 50 instead of 20, and that did make room too. I was thus able to add a few dozen items for class quests that Fitzer has picked up on his travels, so if you are about to hit 45 with a toon, go and check the chests; there are now hundreds of class-quest items in the *second* chest (I moved all the class-quest related stuff to that one).

The first chest has the taxidermist stuff (which I *almost* took out for vendoring, but decided to put them back anyway, as the new stacking limits made enough room; still, if room ever runs out, I would vote for those to be vendored ). There are also various recipes in this chest.

The second chest has class-quest related stuff only (and a nice pocket item for 45 from one of Garrys toons; it is very nice, but not quite as nice as the legendary pocket item you can get as early as 45 by completing the quest chain).

The third chest (the one upstairs) has now only weaponsmith and woodworker recipes (of which there are most of).

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Lord of the Rings Online / Moria, here I come!

« on: December 14, 2009, 10:28:32 AM »

Fitzer hit 50 this morning


WARNING: Lots of ranting follows.

Fitzer will now head to Moria, probably for good (except the skirmishes and if there at some point is kinship runs to do epic quests or visit dungeons). I simply *hate* the idiocy of running around for absolutely *nothing* most of the time playing in Misty Moutains, Angmar or Eregion (I didn't check out Forochel, but I seriously doubt that would have been any different).

I wonder who are the people who thought it is a brilliant idea to make quest like "Ride to arses end to find a bag, ride back across half the world, oh Gandalf knows a good trick why dont you visit him (in the exactly other end of the world) and then ride back to me so I can then send you to the arses end again to do something equally silly" is *fun* or exiting o rmentally challenging? The council of north quests must be the most phukked up quests ever seen however; you are required to get back and forrth constantly, and you don't get the travel location until you have completed the quests. Hooray for brilliant thinking! Don't we all love to spend 90% of the game getting back and forth between the quest locations and quest givers? Eragion is only slightly worse, as you don't have access to swift travel until you've completed the quests (but the snail version really is slow; I timed it, it takes more time with the travel route to get from Rivendel to what ever that quest hub in south west corner than it gets to ride there by yourself (the travel route goes halfway to Bree before turning turning south, a royal idea of excellence that too), of course you can visit the fridge or toilet while the travel route mount is moving but there is only so many times one has to visti the fridge or toilet in an hour...

In Moria the quest hubs are close to travel routes. I already did some quests there, although it was slightly dangerous. Then again, I *like* a challenge, I play to amuse my self, and I get more amused when I overcome difficult odds. However, my fuse burned with the back and forth moving there too, as the travel locations require level 50 (now that is fair enough, it is a requirement you basically need to do quests there, not the retarded system of "you get the travel location when you don't need it anymore".

/END OF RANTING


I have high hopes for Moria. The quests I did had a very good feeling, and they felt pretty challenging too. I hope the challenge level stays up even in the quests further in in Moria

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Lord of the Rings Online / Class quest 45

« on: December 08, 2009, 11:08:28 AM »

Fitzer hit 45, and I got a couple class quests now. Tried to check some guides about this, but seems things are very different now.

Was there any dev-letter or anything on the class-quests? If I understand correctly, I should head to Misty Mountains and whack furry things, and then try to find cave-claws. Or is there something else to consider in the class quests now?

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Lord of the Rings Online / SoM is here

« on: December 02, 2009, 05:25:27 PM »

Codemasters did it again. SoM is here now, and I am not kidding you  


EDIT: Ok, seems that just the client has to be updated to get into game, but the servers are still running without SoM. Dang

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Lord of the Rings Online / SoM issues

« on: December 02, 2009, 05:57:01 AM »

There are some problems with corpses of mobs not despawning (and thus not respawning either) properly:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398804

The problems with skirmishes is according to the USA forums because of high traffic in the areas. If you intend to do the skirmishes from get-go, it might be advisable to park somewhere where you do not expect heavy concentration of players (I think I'll park Fitzer in Tinnundir).

The shared vault seems to produce some odd results when stacks are combined in the shared vault (if you have pre-ordered the adventure pack, that is). The correct procedure seems to be you should combine stacks in your own bag, don't do it in the shared vault, as the items seem to get misplaced (some claim they might disappear).

Be sure to have empty bag-slots and and quickbar slots. Dunno how many of the things we get on the EU side as they got on the USA side, but seems things disappear if there are not enough slots open for all of the stuff.

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Lord of the Rings Online / Tomb of Elendil

« on: December 01, 2009, 07:54:29 PM »

Do we have enough people interested in the kin to get Tomb of Elendil done with a HoJ run? Or should Fitzer (at 41 now) try to PUG it?