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Offline Goatboy

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« on: February 18, 2012, 01:37:56 AM »
Vee Pee!

So... any tips?

I find I'm having trouble deciding on a good ability rotation and icon placement in my bars.
I suppose this also depends on your build, but meh.

Are there any standard do's and don'ts in this area?

I'm using Skrigg's current 23/0/18 pvp vanguard build atm and I must say it seems to work for a nubhead like me. Got some kills in and seems to do a nice bit of damage, without losing too much durability in pvp. Plus setting everyone on fire is fun and helps against the cloakers.

Anyone else pvp on a regular basis besides Kurtt and Yyan? Would be neat to get a premade group going with Mumble.

Oddly surprised that I found myself liking pvp tbh. Seems I missed out in other MMO's.
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Re: Pee
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 10:21:45 AM »
Vee Pee!

So... any tips?

I find I'm having trouble deciding on a good ability rotation and icon placement in my bars.
I suppose this also depends on your build, but meh.

Are there any standard do's and don'ts in this area?

I'm using Skrigg's current 23/0/18 pvp vanguard build atm and I must say it seems to work for a nubhead like me. Got some kills in and seems to do a nice bit of damage, without losing too much durability in pvp. Plus setting everyone on fire is fun and helps against the cloakers.

Anyone else pvp on a regular basis besides Kurtt and Yyan? Would be neat to get a premade group going with Mumble.

Oddly surprised that I found myself liking pvp tbh. Seems I missed out in other MMO's.

i go with whatever works for me , never been an issue in any game

i DONT stress about others builds or rotations that shit just bores me.
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Re: Pee
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 02:41:56 PM »
You might wanna check out Taugrim's build the "Iron Fist".
General Vanguard guide: http://taugrim.com/2012/01/04/guide-to-bounty-hunter-powertech-trooper-vanguard-mechanics-and-pvp/
Iron Fist: http://taugrim.com/2012/01/27/iron-fist-25-14-2-pvp-tank-spec-for-swtor-powertech-vanguard/
A couple of really good guides on PvP mechanics in SWTOR: http://taugrim.com/guides/
Keybindings: http://taugrim.com/2011/04/07/guide-to-strafing-movement-and-keybindings/


Here are my keybindings:

Don't mind the score.. I've got other pictures of my bindings but I chose this one since I'm using the shared Assault Specialist tree and not Gunnery so it's a bit more relevant to you.
I use the same general layout on all characters and curse the fracking game everytime I create a new toon and have to do this all over again. A = Strafe Left    D = Strafe Right    W = Move Forward     S = Move Backwards
Basics:
1-5 and R = My standard attacks. 3 being the no-cost Hammer Shot. Why 3 and not 1? Well 3 is easier to reach while using A or D to strafe. 1 and 2 are for abilities that "build up" my damage. In this case Charged Bolts (on my Vanguard this is Ion Pulse) and Full Auto (Stockstrike on my Vanguard). They both have a chance to proc High Impact Bolt (on 4). 5 is usually an ability with a CD or something I don't need to press every couple of seconds, here I've got my DoT Incendiary Round. And lastly we've got R for another medium-CD ability, Assault Plastique. Since AP is currently bugged and only hits one target I've also got Sticky Grenade on shift-R. If Sticky will hit 2+ enemies it's always better than AP..
Shift-1 through shift-5: Cooldowns of various sorts that I use almost as soon as they're ready.

Other keys:
B - My AoE key. Commandos has so many AoE abilities I have to use Shift-B and Ctrl-B (didn't use this when this picture was taken) as well. On my Vanguard this is Pulse Cannon.
C - CC breaker
Q - "AoE utility" .. Knockback on a Commando, AoE stun on a Vanguard, Flash Grenade on a Scoundrel, etc
E - Single-target stun
T - Abilities that have the opposite range than what most of my abilities have. Melee for ranged classes and vice versa. On my Vanguard I've got Sticky here since R is used for Interupts on classes that have 'em (which is everyone but Commando!!!)
V - Some sort of utility, in the case of Troopers I've got Stealth Scan here.
G - Multi-option utility. Got Tech Override here which makes my next cast instant. Can be used offensively or defensively. Will probably have Battle Focus here on my Vanguard.
Z and X - Support abilities. As a healer/dps hybrid I've got heals here. On my Vanguard I've got taunt on Z and Grapple on X. Also using Shift-Z (Mass Taunt on Vanguard and Dispel on Commando) and Shift-X (Guard on Vanguard, not currently used on Commando).
Shift-E - CC

Alt-1 through Alt-5 - Pots and relics. Plus Throw Huttball and my mount. Basically things I need to have ready but often saved for the tougher fights.

Alt-+ - My out of combat heal.
Alt-ยด - Aggro reduction, not used much in either PvP or PvE so no need to keep it right next to my left hand.

On the left side I've got my buffs which I generally don't need to use while fighting. These require mouse-clicks to use.




Overall I really enjoy PvP in this game. They could buff the Resolve bar a bit cause at the moment it's still way to easy to be chain-stunned and killed. One stun should fill the bar and not only 75% and roots/snares/slows should also add to the bar (only slows/snares/roots which are guaranteed to happen when an ability is used, like Pepple Throw (Telekenetic Throw) but not Assault Specced Plasma Cell procs).
As for rotations in PvP.. There really aren't any. You always need to adapt to a situation and use whatever ability gives you an upper hand. However there are of course abilities that charge up others and those that do more damage and so on.
One general "rule" for Vanguards no matter your spec.. Always, always, always use your taunts to take the pressure of your teammates. And in Huttball don't be afraid to switch to tank stance to Guard the ballcarrier (unless you've got a tank on your team nearby). It will reduce your damage but at the end of the day it'll give the ballcarrier about 50% more health and will really take the edge of any burst the enemy team will do to him/her.

Vanguards have a lot of fun tools to play with in PvP and for me they're way more fun than Commandos. So you made the right choice with your Advanced Class :)
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Re: Pee
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 03:13:36 PM »
Cheers for the elaborate post. Definitely need to start interrupting more and taunting.

Taunt = interrupt in pvp?
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Re: Pee
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2012, 04:33:54 PM »
Taunt reduces the damage the taunted does by 30% for 6 seconds UNLESS they're attacking the taunter (in this case you). I've thrown in an AoE taunt on enemies attacking the ballcarrier in Huttball and gotten 10k protection in 5 seconds. Yes, it's THAT good :D
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Re: Pee
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2012, 11:45:01 PM »
Maybe I've read it and it's mentioned somewhere, but which cell is supposed to go with Ironfist build?

And which cell would you use in PVE and in PVP with that build?
Ion cell would be for PVE tanking and maybe dedicated ball running in Huttball? I dunno.  ::)
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Re: Pee
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2012, 11:46:54 PM »
Maybe I've read it and it's mentioned somewhere, but which cell is supposed to go with Ironfist build?

And which cell would you use in PVE and in PVP with that build?
Ion cell would be for PVE tanking and maybe dedicated ball running in Huttball? I dunno.  ::)

Ion Cell for Ironfist, all of the time. The synergy of the build relies on you using it, and being able to Guard helps also.