The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim

[Caradir]

They are worth the hard fight for the masks they have, got 3 or so now myself.

Just dont awaken them with a  dragon about, THAT IS HARD.

Sounds like i may have done the same on that one Krosis?

Aye thats the one, but managed to not wake him before beating the dragon. He came at me as I was going for the dragon text afterwards.

if you have the Marked for death shout that makes things easier with them.

[Mangala]

Found this amusing, and bloody true (especially the cooking part):

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-personality-flaws-skyrim-forces-you-to-deal-with/#ixzz1e0DsidOn

[Chug]

the firewall at work has blocked that site with the reason given: Tasteless 

Come on now, Jon. Let's keep it clean.

[Mangala]

the firewall at work has blocked that site with the reason given: Tasteless 

Come on now, Jon. Let's keep it clean.

Its cracked.com - it can be tasteless

Anyways quoting:

5 Personality Flaws Skyrim Forces You To Deal With

Quick: Look to your left, then look to your right. One of those people is a nerd. It's easy to tell which one, just look for the nerd-shaped hole in the universe where a person used to be. If you've been wondering why it's the geek rapture out there, it's because November is like gaming's sweeps month. Anybody with excess funds and poor impulse control problems is slowly starving to death in front of their computer or console right now. Zelda, Assassin's Creed, Batman, Battlecall: Field of Duty and Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim have all been released within a few weeks of one another. The most dangerous siren's call, for me, is sung by the latter: Skyrim is vast, complex and incredibly dense. Every aspect of it breathes authenticity and organicity. It is less a game than it is a fantastical life simulator. And that is very bad news for those of us who might be terrible assholes and still kind of in denial about it. Because so far, thanks to Skyrim, I've had to admit that I have ...


#5. An Incredibly Boring Personality
One of the first things my wife said, after watching me play Skyrim for a few minutes, was, "What must the computer think of you?"
That's because this is my play-style: "Is that a cave? Wait, what's down this path? Can I go in this house? I can? Rad! Some other time though, because that's a butterfly! I can pluck salmon out of the river, harvest mushrooms from stumps and tan leather? That's amazing!"
Watching me play Skyrim is like reading one of those Family Circus cartoon maps if little Billy paused periodically to fire an arrow into the back of somebody's head to steal their magical boots. The only consistent theme linking my actions together is that none of them, not a one, advance the game in any meaningful way.

"Yes, I will be doing this for hours." -- Me, I guess?
If you had come up to me a year ago, disc in hand, hopeful glimmer in your eye, and said that you'd designed a game about butterfly catching and leatherwork, and asked would I mind giving you some feedback? I would have spat in your eye and thrown it in the sewer, then harvested your tears to sell to a Chinese herbalist.
But in a world where you allow me to do anything -- fuel a political coup, join an assassin's guild, slay giants, battle dragons -- apparently green-sourcing my cooking ingredients becomes priority #1.


#4. A Problem With Authority
I'm not referring to just disobeying the orders of in-game authority figures (though to be clear, I absolutely do that all the time, and have, on occasion, opted to resist arrest rather than pay a bounty of $11 dollars). I'm talking about rebelling against the vague, nebulous authority of the game itself. Skyrim wants me to go the city and talk to the mayor about dragons.
OK.
That's kind of the point of the game: Let's get to the bottom of this dragon business.
And yet, the very second I'm told to go somewhere, it becomes direly important that I go literally everywhere else in the world first. But like all young punks with authority problems, I'm mostly just doing it to see where the limits are. Are you going to let me walk all the way to that mountain in the distance, Skyrim, or force me back to the quest with some bullshit invisible walls?
Am I supposed to save this beautiful maiden, Skyrim? All right. Is it cool if I just ... don't?
Oh, you want me to fight the usurper, Skyrim? Sure thing, but can I buy a house and spend an hour arranging the books first?
Unfortunately, Skyrim's answer to every one of those questions is a firm and resounding, "Yes. Absolutely. Go ahead and do all of those things whenever you want."
And that really, really, really fucking sucks.

"God, I'm so sick of having all of this freedom." -- Me, I guess?
Because I want to go save that wench, fight that bastard usurper and fell that dragon. I really do. It looks fun! Way more fun than introducing the Dewey Decimal system to Whiterun, at any rate. But you need to force me over there first, because I'm just not going to do it otherwise. I'm not faulting the game for giving me freedom or anything; I totally acknowledge that this is a personal failing within me. This terrible habit -- of scouting out every single other pathway before the main one -- may be a leftover impulse from older RPGs, where many areas became inaccessible after you advanced through them. So if you wanted to make sure you found all the secret spells and legendary weapons, you had to explore every other path before the right one, otherwise the story might drag you, kicking and screaming, away from the best toys. That's no longer the case with modern games. Most let you visit and revisit any area at any point, but it's too late for me: The behavior is learned, and the damage is done.
I'll harvest every fucking cabbage in this field before I so much as glance at the dragon's nest, and you can't stop me.
Even though I really wish you could.

#3. Rampant OCD (That Is Totally Eclipsed by My Laziness)
Skyrim as a virtual world is beautifully, meticulously, painfully complete in its detail. Bethesda has really upped the bar here, to the extent that I'm actually kind of worried they may have broken gaming for good. Every time I walk by an in-game bookcase now and discover that the developers haven't written out every word of every chapter of every book therein, I will feel a small, unreasonable twinge of disappointment. Skyrim did it; they've proved it was possible. What's your excuse, other developers?
That it's irrelevant? That it doesn't affect the gameplay?
So what? Skyrim's designers not only forged an extensive world with thousands of quests and characters, but they then sat down and authored what must be tens of thousands of pages of text just to complete the atmosphere. This is a world with its own stories, folklore, science and history. And you can read about it all in-game.
YOU can.
Because I'm sure as hell not going to.

"Fuck these books." -- Me, I guess?
Oh, I picked up the first book. And, in fact, was so awed at their artful thoroughness that I read it cover to cover.
"That was cool," I thought to myself, "and it really added to the story. I feel like I understand this world a little better."
For the second book, I did the same: "Wow. Even their economy is detailed here. This is completion on a whole other level."
The third book, I skimmed: "I don't really need to know about seed counts in a rival kingdom," I justified.
By the 10th book, I had stopped reading altogether. I've always suspected that I was mildly OCD, and video games -- with their menus, customization and puzzles -- brought it all out into the open.
"I spent an hour organizing my fictional inventory by the number of characters in the names of each item! I've got a disease!" I would cry.
And that's bullshit, of course. OCD isn't tidying up your menus. OCD is thinking you have to twist every knob on the stove eight times because you cracked your knuckles out of order, otherwise your heart will explode. Me? I'm just a bit of a control freak. And Skyrim helped me finally admit that to myself ... by giving me homework. I read through like 20 pages of books before my "terrible neurotic disease" was downgraded to a simple case of "throw that shit in the gutter-itis"


#2. A Fickle, Entitled Nature
Skyrim, like all massive sandbox games, has its fair share of glitches. When you're programming a virtual world, where thousands of individual elements interact under a potentially infinite variety of scenarios, it's practically inevitable that hiccups will arise. We're asking our game designers to take on the roles of demi-gods, and give birth to a complex, beautiful system of life, so that we gamers can murder and humiliate it when we get bored on the weekends. And for the most part, they do a fine job. So when something goes awry, breaks the fourth wall and pulls me out of the immersion, I forgive them, because I'm such a well-rounded and mature human being ...
"That's fine. You worked hard, guys. I forgive you." -- Me, totally.
That is, so long as that hiccup doesn't have the faintest negative impact on me as a player.
If the glitch does inconvenience me slightly, though, every ounce of that goodwill instantly dies, screaming and fear-peeing on itself. I may not have liked the poet/warrior that talked like The Swedish Chef, but goddammit, Skyrim, he was my only companion. He deserved to go out better than he did: Clipping through the floor of a mountain cave in the middle of a fight with a giant spider. I really don't think he was supposed to blink out of reality like that, unless I skipped past the story-arc where Sven met up with and joined the cast of Sliders.
Which, holy shit, you're super welcome for the DLC idea, Bethesda.


#1. The Worst Timing
I have yet to do a single thing in Skyrim in the proper order. I'm constantly showing up to some dude's castle that I've never seen before, only to hand over a mystical item that I'd mentally scratched off as garbage hours ago, and then sit and listen to the story be retroactively explained to me:
King: Wanderer! Thank the gods you've come! The prophecy told us that a mighty warrior would arise, worthy of wielding Fjalnir, the God-axe, and slaying the evil Demon Prince Synraith. We believe you to be that warrior. What say you, traveler? Will you accept this task?
Me: Yea, verily I shall accept thine task and vanq- wait, Synraith? Fiery dude in a floating city? Cape made out of screeching souls? Ahhh, shit. I already killed that guy.
King: You ... already slew the Demon Prince, the Knife in the Dark, the Void at the Heart of All Men, whose identity you did not learn until just now?
Me: Yup. I saw that castle floating up in the sky, and I wanted to know if I could jump up the rocks to get in the back way. It took a lot of reloads, but I finally managed to hop on up in there.
King: You "hopped on up" into the Abyssal Palace?
Me: Yeeeep, yep yep yep. Just squat-jumped on in there and looted the place. Then I killed that Sydney guy-
King: Synraith, Demon Prince of the Abyss.
Me: -yeah him. I ganked that guy. Mostly just to see if I could. Plus he looked like kind of a dick.
King: Indeed, the Foulest of the Foul was "kind of a dick." But you vanquished him without the aid of sacred Fjalnir, the God-axe?
Me: Totally. It wasn't even a thing. I just hid on top of a bookshelf where he couldn't reach me and shot him with arrows. Then I waited until he forgot I was shooting him, and did it all again to get the sneak damage bonus. Took a while, but he died all the same.
King: Forsooth! Thine heroic deeds are ... well, that sounds kind of fucked up, actually. Never thought I'd feel bad for He Who Devours. So you have no need of our sacred totem weapon?
Me: What, the gold dealy, with the shiny bits? Nah, I already stole that out of the display case four hours ago, before I knew who you were. I gave it to Sven, but he Quantum Leaped out of the game with that shit.
King: Huh. So. I guess ... the bards will ... sing of your tale now?
Me: Oh yeah? Sweet, let's hear it.
Bard: The hero came with eyes aflame / his tasks already done / the land was rescued all the same / but 'tis kind of a shitty song.
Me: Word.

[Taith]

I grinned: "Watching me play Skyrim is like reading one of those Family Circus cartoon maps if little Billy paused periodically to fire an arrow into the back of somebody's head to steal their magical boots."

I laughed: "I gave it to Sven, but he Quantum Leaped out of the game with that sh!t."

[Mangala]

i JUST BROKE MY GAME.

Messing with the console....  and suddenly everything completed :S

That fucking blows.

[Mangala]

Note to self when people suggest typing certain things into the console and give no hints as to why, dont fucking do it.

[Caradir]

Note to self when people suggest typing certain things into the console and give no hints as to why, dont fucking do it.

or just dont use the console

surely you have a save you can revert to?

[Mangala]

More Mods, I need more Mods!!

(And a new one that works for letting the game use more than 4gb memory).

[Mangala]

Note to self when people suggest typing certain things into the console and give no hints as to why, dont fucking do it.

or just dont use the console

surely you have a save you can revert to?

And yes I did, but it doesnt make the 15+ achies that it caused me to get go away :S

[Caradir]

Note to self when people suggest typing certain things into the console and give no hints as to why, dont fucking do it.

or just dont use the console

surely you have a save you can revert to?

And yes I did, but it doesnt make the 15+ achies that it caused me to get go away :S

1 word

FUCKWIT!!!!

[Mangala]

Note to self when people suggest typing certain things into the console and give no hints as to why, dont fucking do it.

or just dont use the console

surely you have a save you can revert to?

And yes I did, but it doesnt make the 15+ achies that it caused me to get go away :S

1 word

FUCKWIT!!!!

I used worse to describe myself when it happened :S 

My achie backbone

[Chug]

I wouldn't worry, Jon. Those 15 extra achievements more you have over everyone else will make you look more pro 

Finished the Thieves guild quests lastnight. Another top notch questline. I think i'm going to go searching for all of the Daedric quests now. Done 2, many more to go.

[Caradir]

I wouldn't worry, Jon. Those 15 extra achievements more you have over everyone else will make you look more pro 

Finished the Thieves guild quests lastnight. Another top notch questline. I think i'm going to go searching for all of the Daedric quests now. Done 2, many more to go.

They are fun, ive still got some to find though.

Molag Bol is good just for the reward alone (and the moral choices)

in fact a few have moral choices involved that made me think, if i truly wanted to be that despicable.

[Mangala]

Oh my:

http://ppsh-41.tumblr.com/post/13145143504/entire-tamriel-landmass-built-into-skyrim

Basically the entirety of Tamriel is in the client...