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Do you want the corp to build a DS and why (not)?

Yes, because I want it.
1 (12.5%)
Yes, because alliance wants it.
0 (0%)
I don't care really, but ok, let's go.
5 (62.5%)
I don't care really, but I'd rather not.
2 (25%)
No. No use. Too much hassle.
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: June 24, 2009, 05:24:23 PM

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Offline Temon Oak

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Death stars
« on: June 07, 2009, 04:08:11 PM »
We are supposed to throw up one or two of these acouding to the EZ charter :
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Official default Deathstar

Minmatar large tower

12 large autocannon (EMP ammo)
10 medium arty (EMP ammo)
6 medium autocannon (EMP ammo)
3 of each ECM jammer (12 in total)
4 warp disruptors
2 webs
4 neuts

50% is online with the other 50% in reserve ( to replace incapacitaed)
All ammo bays must be full even on the spare guns
Shields must be open to alliance
Must be set to fire on neutrals
Corp must have up to date standings so it wont fire on ally members and PL/SOT ( +10 suggested )

Only modification that is allowed is if the modules/tower is replaced with the fraction verson , T2 version of ammo is also ok.

Hangar array is ok to store fuel , but be sure to have it offline when you are not refueling and max guns online.

If the tower is a jammer DS in a system you may offline enough to keep a cyno jammer online , but not to have less guns because of it , if jammer is incapped you should online max guns again until jammer have been replaced .

How far on it are we so far?
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2009, 04:15:14 PM »
>.<

Thats how far on it.

Red mentioned this, but theyve never come to us and said "right you need to place this in X system", or at least they hadnt before he went awol and I went riding bikes. I got the impression Red was waiting for them to ask us this rather than spending more of the cash we dont actually have given how fucked our infant isk making infrastructure got when the corp joined the germans and moved to 0.0.

Red used some hefty negotiating to get us into EH at Tier 1 and then never went beyond that I think with regards to discussion. Given that I had doubts about the alliance then, and frankly still do now, I paid scant attention to what was going on. (Stupidly so on reflection, but hindsights a bitch).
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2009, 04:56:56 PM »
A single DS on this spec would require:

Fuel Calculations for Tower 1 (Minmatar Control Tower) at (Location Not Specified)

Enriched Uranium :     2016
Oxygen           :     12768
Mechanical Parts :     2688
Coolant          :     4032
Robotics         :     672
Isotopes         :     227136
Liquid Ozone     :     65856
Heavy Water      :     6048
Space Required   :     89712 m3

Calculations were based on a 4 week interval. 165million isk in cost for fuel.

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Generated using My POS by Cassandra's Light

Fitting information for Tower 1 (Minmatar Control Tower)  at a location not specified.

Structure (Status)
Energy Neutralizing Battery  (Online)
Energy Neutralizing Battery  (Offline)
Ion Field Projection Battery  (Offline)
Ion Field Projection Battery  (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery  (Online)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery  (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery  (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery  (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery  (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery  (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery  (Offline)
Medium Artillery Battery  (Offline)
Medium Artillery Battery  (Offline)
Medium Artillery Battery  (Offline)
Medium Artillery Battery  (Offline)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery  (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery  (Offline)
Phase Inversion Battery  (Offline)
Spatial Destabilization Battery  (Offline)
Spatial Destabilization Battery  (Offline)
Spatial Destabilization Battery  (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery  (Offline)
Stasis Webification Battery  (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery  (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery  (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery  (Offline)
Warp Disruption Battery  (Offline)
White Noise Generation Battery  (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery  (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery  (Offline)
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CPU Usage: 450 / 6000 (7.50%)
PG Usage:  3787500 / 4375000 (86.57%)
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Fitting generated using My POS by Cassandra's Light.
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 05:01:09 PM »
Eventually we should aim to have 2 DS imo.
One in z30 and one in cha2.
Simple reason is that DS can be end points for jump bridges and having a jump bridge between those two systems would make logistics insanely much simpler.

Also your cost calculation doesn't take into account the 25% lower fuel demand for a pos in your own sov right?

Anyway, we should look into it for that reason alone, but we need to have better cashflow. Basically more miners and a steady output of caps or other stuff.
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 05:10:43 PM »
I'd set the Sov to 3 in MyPOS and kept switching between that and no sov and it didnt change, but that could be becuse this a theoretical tower though :S

Any idea of the Jita cost of the tower and its bits?
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2009, 07:54:05 PM »
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So, some of the guys in MAADI would like to deal with our requirement to fit and place a DS, any suggestions as to where they should start looking at placing one?

They can then source the parts, source the ice fuel (Lucky we have a guy mining ice in minmatar space for other needs we have) and start getting things transported down to 0.0.
FYI, I dont need to have one of these guys placed. Not to say no against it, but to ... err...  let you know
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2009, 07:57:53 PM »
Id sooner we didnt have to do it either, but its part of the current level of alliance membership we have to meet I suppose :(

However I'd sooner its a thing we do once its finanacially viable to do so. Rather than race, but having an idea of location would help plan for logisitics involved.
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2009, 08:19:12 PM »
No rush imo either.
If they start to demand it well then we have to do more about it, so far they have been rather ok with our inability to field a DS.

As I said, eventually.
We need to have a viable economy first. As long as we get to keep the 7-8 pos the running costs of the towers we have is almost payed for. Think they differ around 20-30m per month at most.

We should think about what and where to place a DS, one of the main considerations should be ores. The moons in cha2 are rather bad (the free ones at least) but the system has ice and good roids so is a good place to have a mining base at least and setting that up would mean we can remove the small one in c1x (after red is back so the ror doesn't end up in trouble).

But as said we need to get a viable corp economy going first.
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2009, 08:57:57 PM »
I'd rather have DSs in Z30. As there is no place for hangars and stuff, it would do no good for mining ops.
DSs in Z30 could mean a JB -> better connection to PNQ -> yay!
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2009, 05:18:47 AM »
Would need a DS on the other end of the JB and that will have to be in cha2 anyway since the alliance is going to make a JB node there and that will most likely be from k8l.

As for room, there is quite ample room for a corp hangar, even if the setup mang did forgot about hardeners which is needed.

Fitting information for Tower 1 (Minmatar Control Tower)  at a location not specified.

Structure  (Status)
Ballistic Deflection Array  (Online)
Ballistic Deflection Array  (Online)
Energy Neutralizing Battery  (Online)
Energy Neutralizing Battery  (Offline)
Explosion Dampening Array  (Online)
Explosion Dampening Array  (Online)
Heat Dissipation Array  (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery  (Offline)
Ion Field Projection Battery  (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery  (Online)
Large Artillery Battery  (Offline)
Large Artillery Battery  (Offline)
Large Artillery Battery  (Offline)
Large Artillery Battery  (Offline)
Large Artillery Battery  (Offline)
Large Artillery Battery  (Online)
Large Artillery Battery  (Online)
Large Artillery Battery  (Online)
Large Artillery Battery  (Online)
Large Artillery Battery  (Online)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Large Ship Assembly Array  (Online)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Offline)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Medium AutoCannon Battery  (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery  (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery  (Offline)
Phase Inversion Battery  (Offline)
Spatial Destabilization Battery  (Offline)
Spatial Destabilization Battery  (Offline)
Spatial Destabilization Battery  (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery  (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery  (Offline)
Warp Disruption Battery  (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery  (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery  (Offline)
Warp Disruption Battery  (Offline)
White Noise Generation Battery  (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery  (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery  (Offline)
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CPU Usage: 2700 / 6000 (45,00%)
PG Usage:  4230000 / 4375000 (96,69%)
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Fitting generated using My POS by Cassandra's Light.

That is a bit more realistic. Has 50% resists allround.
That setup (by accident) includes a assembly array, a JB deathstar would be a bit different though.
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2009, 05:33:07 AM »
http://www.eventhorizon.se/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3
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Hangar array is ok to store fuel , but be sure to have it offline when you are not refueling and max guns online.
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2009, 05:43:32 AM »
Quote from: Warcold on June 08, 2009, 05:33:07 AM
http://www.eventhorizon.se/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3
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Hangar array is ok to store fuel , but be sure to have it offline when you are not refueling and max guns online.

Considering they ignored hardeners making the poses quick to kill I'll take their "advice" with a few grains of salt.
If you are mining in a system the likelyhood of someone being able to kill off anything is rather slim, you wouldn't have the storage online when you aren't there only when you are mining or similar.
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2009, 10:49:28 AM »
Quote from: peo on June 08, 2009, 05:43:32 AM
Considering they ignored hardeners making the poses quick to kill I'll take their "advice" with a few grains of salt.
If you are mining in a system the likelyhood of someone being able to kill off anything is rather slim, you wouldn't have the storage online when you aren't there only when you are mining or similar.


i wouldnt listen to any of their advice they really dont have a clue, just look at their "recommendations" for ship fits saying armour tank or else nubs :)
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2009, 07:18:39 PM »
Tried to make an excel sheet, would like to have it doublechecked for numbers, prices and modules *grins*
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Re: Death stars
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2009, 07:27:29 PM »
excel version
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