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Title: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 15, 2009, 08:25:18 PM
By these guys:

Merchants Trade Consortium

We have 24hrs to declare mutual or surrender.
War will be active at 20:21 on Monday 16th Feb 2009.


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2009.02.15 20:21
Merchants Trade Consortium has declared war on Ma'adim Logistics.
After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.


http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=7861

http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=corp&name=Merchants+Trade+Consortium&tab=top_pilots#show
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 15, 2009, 08:46:20 PM
Spend a little time ensuring you have safe spots in and around Anttiri.
Make sure you have:
1) some pvp fitted ships handy - and if possible at other stations than those we currently have offices.
2) an updated clone
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 15, 2009, 08:46:50 PM
Dont travel alone. We'll move in groups from now on.

When people log in and need to get somewhere, let the rest of us know.

Dont afk mine.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 15, 2009, 08:47:39 PM
Can you also update your profiles and remove any eve-related information or use a random name.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: peo on February 15, 2009, 08:55:13 PM
Found this "guide" which I'm sure is nothing new for the vets but for us newbies it could be a decent read.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?game=14&feature=2291&bhcp=1
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 15, 2009, 09:47:47 PM
Scotayne Hawkins is in Inari:

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2009.02.15 21:41
The sleazebag is currently at Inari VII - Moon 23 - Joint Harvesting Mining Outpost station in the Inari system, Suon constellation of The Citadel region.

With regards,
Kakukainen Kittavas.

Thats one of them. I'll do the same tomorrow before the dec kicks off. They maybe creatures of habit.  Do seems like they dec primarily industrial corps that cant fight back or will try and buy their way out.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 15, 2009, 10:04:59 PM
If a char called "goldpated ibis" makes any applications to the corp - DONT - accept them.  He has to be a spy of some sort as he sent a mail to Anagaraka enquiring about joining not long after the dec went in.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 15, 2009, 10:10:11 PM
Our first campaign.  http://www.handsofjustice.co.uk/maadikb/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=1

Lets hope it has mucho blood on it - theirs ofc!

I wont make the war mutual as it means it lasts till one side gives in. A regular war dec lasts a week and then the other side has to pay again iirc.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 15, 2009, 10:47:51 PM
Obviously if people dont want to give it a go and fight, I'll understand if you stay docked up. Or dont log on. Thats your choice.

Would prefer us all to fight and take them down.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 15, 2009, 11:14:27 PM
If a char called "goldpated ibis" makes any applications to the corp - DONT - accept them.  He has to be a spy of some sort as he sent a mail to Anagaraka enquiring about joining not long after the dec went in.

Any new applications shouldn't be accepted until they are verified and confirmed.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 15, 2009, 11:32:56 PM
Ewar - fit for minnie, amarr and gallente. they primarily fly ships from that race.  They do seem like a bunch of guys who wardec perceicved weaker targets: indy corps, mission runners etc.  The majority of their none POS kills (kasei is fine btw) are solo kills on mission fit ships or newb-ships and shuttles, nothing proper at all.

Remember, lets stick together and dont give them any easy kills for however long this war lasts.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 16, 2009, 01:50:59 AM
I've thrown some more ships & ammo into bake in prep. Will do some more tomorrow.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 16, 2009, 05:52:45 AM
EVElopedia War-dec page, so you know what it entails:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/War_Declaration
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: peo on February 16, 2009, 06:07:47 AM
I'll fight :)
Noone comes here and tries to ruin me and my friends without spilling blood for it.

Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 16, 2009, 06:16:35 AM
I'm going to fight.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 16, 2009, 06:18:21 AM
I've thrown some more ships & ammo into bake in prep. Will do some more tomorrow.


Bought aload of frigates too - Thera shall be shipping them this arvo. I#ll also buy a few more types of frigs - missed caldari ones ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Dlarah on February 16, 2009, 07:46:30 AM
List of Merchants Trade Consortium members i got out of the killboard(26 in total):
For those that wish to add them to friendslist. :)

13Ninja
Achar Farwind
Baby Sham
BaldieRadge
Bastion Quest
Chicken Wing
commercial time
Coritanie
DrXpBlondie
Flint IronStag2
GULL
Juan Pollo
jump 2
Lambrini
lift away
Nerfmepls
Mr Vrix
Orrin Danestarr
Paulo Banderez
Ryo Yamazaki
Saarkin Cho
scotayne hawkins
Siobhan Ells
Targie McRed
Tavis Darwin
zykerx

Edit: Added baby Sham, Ryo Yamazaki, Nerfmepls and Flint IronStag2
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Sinedia on February 16, 2009, 08:29:20 AM
I've thrown some more ships & ammo into bake in prep. Will do some more tomorrow.


Bought aload of frigates too - Thera shall be shipping them this arvo. I#ll also buy a few more types of frigs - missed caldari ones ;)

Frigs???

just fitted this one :)

[Dominix, The Beast]
Damage Control II
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Nanobot Accelerator I

Ogre II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 16, 2009, 08:33:18 AM
List of Merchants Trade Consortium members i got out of the killboard(22 in total)
Good thing :)  I'll add them to my list :)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Sinedia on February 16, 2009, 08:41:25 AM
List of Merchants Trade Consortium members i got out of the killboard(22 in total):
For those that wish to add them to friendslist. :)

13Ninja
Achar Farwind
BaldieRadge
Bastion Quest
Chicken Wing
commercial time
Coritanie
DrXpBlondie
GULL
Juan Pollo
jump 2
Lambrini
lift away
Mr Vrix
Orrin Danestarr
Paulo Banderez
Saarkin Cho
scotayne hawkins
Siobhan Ells
Targie McRed
Tavis Darwin
zykerx

Thanks for the easy list... saves me a lot of searching :)

Adding them to my "buddies" as we speak.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Dehn on February 16, 2009, 08:47:09 AM
I got a dozen or so of Punishers in another system as backup if needed..

So, whats our plans for tonight?

Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Macrune on February 16, 2009, 08:57:57 AM
I would be rude not to have a little fight  ;D
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Sinedia on February 16, 2009, 08:59:32 AM
It would be rude not to have a little fight  ;D

And we wouldn't want to be rude now do we :)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 16, 2009, 09:05:38 AM
So, whats our plans for tonight?
This is my question too :)  I suppose we'll get the plans soon :)

My plans:
Swuleia will be in a webber/scrambler fitted Merlin tonight, ready to launch. She has no implants, so... :)
Swuul will be in a pod with different types of boats ready to be made active.

Yes, I intend to fly two boats.


First thing to do today after work: Create "quick-launch" bookmarks ~150km in front of Anttiri V-14 (and then in front of V-6). No use idling around when getting out of the base, immediatly warp the hell out in a straight line. There may be cloaked baddies around our bases.

What is the time war goes hot? Ie how much preparation time (I'll get home from work at about 17 server time)?
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Warcold on February 16, 2009, 09:09:06 AM
2021 eve time
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: peo on February 16, 2009, 09:10:56 AM
2021 eve time

Good gives me some time to set up a few tacklers in couple of systems.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Magnus on February 16, 2009, 10:40:44 AM
seems i'll need a jump clone ASAP :P
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 16, 2009, 10:59:16 AM
seems i'll need a jump clone ASAP :P
I won't be using a jump-clone. When I lose the implants, I'll buy new ones :)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 16, 2009, 11:02:03 AM
I feel like Worzel Gummidge, "Now which one is my fighting head" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worzel_Gummidge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worzel_Gummidge)

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Worzel had a collection of interchangeable turnip, mangle wurzel and swede heads; each head allowed Worzel to perform a certain skill or to suit a particular occasion. Should Worzel be required to sing, for example, he would put on his singing head, and to read, his reading head and so on.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Magnus on February 16, 2009, 11:03:35 AM
new implants require ISK, i rather spend ISK on a new ship
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Aethis on February 16, 2009, 11:39:24 AM
Looking forward to tonight!  ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: peo on February 16, 2009, 11:42:07 AM
I feel like Worzel Gummidge, "Now which one is my fighting head" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worzel_Gummidge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worzel_Gummidge)

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Worzel had a collection of interchangeable turnip, mangle wurzel and swede heads; each head allowed Worzel to perform a certain skill or to suit a particular occasion. Should Worzel be required to sing, for example, he would put on his singing head, and to read, his reading head and so on.

I suppose the swede head was for fighting ;)
(Swede=someone from sweden ;) )
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 16, 2009, 12:40:02 PM
Humm - I think that's his DIY/furniture construction lvl 5 head :P
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 16, 2009, 02:04:15 PM
Ok, I'll make a list of what to do today (more for myself so I remember everything)

1) Check your clone is up to date.

2) Fit the ships you intend to use. Make sure they are insured. Have boats ready in Suroken at the cloning facility.

3) Create safe spots in Anttiri and Suroken (where the closest medical facility is).

4) Be sure to create bookmarked positions in front of any and all bases you intend to dock from (Anttiri 14 an 6, Suroken whatever the base was where the medic center is). To create the position, dock out from base and keep on flying 150-250km straight ahead.

5) After 20:21 server time on Monday go absolutely nowhere alone unless spesifically need to do so.

6) Create a new trial account. Park the toon in Suroken so that there is always somebody checking the safety of the system.

7) Jita lags like crap, and it would not be too cool to find out your boat has been shot to pieces while you were lagging. So, if you absolutely *need* something from Jita, give the money to an un-corped alt, and let him do the business in Jita.

8 ) Be prepared in Anttiri. When hostiles are detected and we have the odds for us, it's time to hit hard (and then get back to base ASAP). Better one sure kill than the possibility for an escalating CFU with more ships drawn to combat.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Pashur on February 16, 2009, 02:15:12 PM
WAR, cool, first time for me. But, but... I am off on ski holiday, leaving Thursday :(
Piss them off so it is still ongoing when I get back. Tonight and Wednesday are bad war days but on Tuesday I can probably sacrifice my life for the corp.

Btw, is there a reason they picked us or are they just bored and want to kill stuff?

Should we remove our secure containers from the asteroid fields in Antt?
Is it adviceable to take miner Alts out of the corp to keep money incoming in spite of the war?
Not that I will have time for mining until I am back but just as a general question.

See you shortly toninght. Will make safe spots etc.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Warcold on February 16, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
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Btw, is there a reason they picked us or are they just bored and want to kill stuff?

Prolly the 2nd. Or rather: have us pay money to end the war (prolly cause they think we are an industrial corp and cant defend ourselves. The name Ma'adim Logistics might have to do with that  :D)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 16, 2009, 02:23:06 PM
Prolly the 2nd. Or rather: have us pay money to end the war (prolly cause they think we are an industrial corp and cant defend ourselves. The name Ma'adim Logistics might have to do with that  :D)
Aren't the Orcas saled in the name of MAADI? "Hey guys, look here, a carebear corp that sells Orca's, they are not allied and seem to have just a few players. Easy money!"
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Caradir on February 16, 2009, 02:25:17 PM
we shall show them that sometimes Carebears have teeth :)

as we arent really full time carebears ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 16, 2009, 02:25:43 PM
Should we remove our secure containers from the asteroid fields in Antt?
Is it adviceable to take miner Alts out of the corp to keep money incoming in spite of the war?
Not that I will have time for mining until I am back but just as a general question.
Expect the secure containers to be blown up at about 20:22 server time tonight. If you are mining, make sure you have 5-6 MAADI members guarding your butt, else you'll soon wake up in a brand new body...

Like mentioned in this thread already: As long as the war is on, don't go anywhere alone, ever.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Dlarah on February 16, 2009, 02:46:43 PM
scotayne hawkins is currently in Anttiri scouting out the area in his Arazu.
Are we going to have a fleet op tonight to greet them when they come over and see how our chances are against them?
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: peo on February 16, 2009, 03:10:14 PM
would be nice if we could make some sort of structure for the fleet we need to muster :)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 16, 2009, 03:11:08 PM
Prolly the 2nd. Or rather: have us pay money to end the war (prolly cause they think we are an industrial corp and cant defend ourselves. The name Ma'adim Logistics might have to do with that  :D)
Aren't the Orcas saled in the name of MAADI? "Hey guys, look here, a carebear corp that sells Orca's, they are not allied and seem to have just a few players. Easy money!"

Aye - but they'd have to buy one to know that it was us :)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Dehn on February 16, 2009, 04:26:15 PM
We should bait them..

sacrifice some mining ships or so..
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 16, 2009, 04:43:49 PM
Swuleia is the perfect bait :)  I have a Bantam ready for her ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 16, 2009, 05:09:03 PM
5 million isk per corpse of Merchants Trade Consortium members I receive :)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 16, 2009, 05:26:05 PM
Make sure you all have TS setup and running.
You'll need to be logged into TS everytime you log into the game now.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Pashur on February 16, 2009, 05:37:44 PM
I don't know about bait.
They declare war, they scout our system. They obviously think we are easy meat and maybe they are right, maybe not.
They will most likely be in Antt tonight. Are you guys sure we are not taking their bait?  ;)

An alternative strategy could be to bore them to death tonight and muster a force another day when they are not so organized.
One can assume they will muster all they can tonight unless they follow the bore strategy and hit us when we relax.
I will leave the  running of the war to you experienced guys. Have fun tonight.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: peo on February 16, 2009, 05:53:31 PM
I don't know about bait.
They declare war, they scout our system. They obviously think we are easy meat and maybe they are right, maybe not.
They will most likely be in Antt tonight. Are you guys sure we are not taking their bait?  ;)

An alternative strategy could be to bore them to death tonight and muster a force another day when they are not so organized.
One can assume they will muster all they can tonight unless they follow the bore strategy and hit us when we relax.
I will leave the war to you experienced guys. Have fun.


Highly likely that they will bring out all the bells tonight yes. Depending on why they are doing the war of course but likely they are in it to try to extort money from us, by killing lots of us the first day they could think they can force a submission to them.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 16, 2009, 06:23:40 PM
FYI - Dont smack these guys in local; Dont respond to convo requests; Just dont interact any other way except shooting with them. We give them no public tears, or smack and they may just get bored all the more quicker (or more infuriated, eother way win/win for us :D)

PS. I'll pod anyone I see smacking them - or even talking in local for the duration of the dec.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 16, 2009, 07:52:47 PM
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“In a battle all you need to make you fight is a little hot blood and the knowledge that it's more dangerous to lose than to win.”
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Macrune on February 16, 2009, 08:19:58 PM
      “History teaches us that in asymmetric warfare the most heavily armed do not always win”

Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Magnus on February 16, 2009, 11:24:52 PM
looks like a good first night for us

according to KB stats we suffered 4.2m damage so far (spread through 7 ships) and dealt 115m damage to them (spread through 2 ships)
so that makes a damage ratio of 27.4 : 1 in our favor, if we can keep up at this rate the war Will be over in no time at all
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 17, 2009, 01:46:20 AM
Very nice work for the first conflict of the war guys: Efficiency:   93.65% (the ISK values don't add up properly if you look at the details)

We need to bide our time when we're out numbered and we did well moving about and keeping the right kind of distance until we found a decent target.
Great work on the recon - we had some good eyes in and around the system and the intel was pretty much spot on.

We could do with a little more EW - damps and disruption in addition to the ECM.  With the number of targets - it's hard to lock enough of them down currently to minimise the dmg we picked up.

I'd avoid bringing a BS to the action at the mo - don't go above a BC.  The ships they have are fast and agile - while a BS would be able to soak a little more dmg - you'll also find it harder getting out if we're swamped.

Tomorrow will be tougher - we'll have less on during the day and we need to make sure we don't give them any easy kills.

This is day 1 and we did a great job stepping up to the mark - let's fit up and get ready for the next.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 17, 2009, 02:11:24 AM
That interceptor we encountered early on - a probable fitting it has: http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2505757
Likewise the Arazu: http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2295291
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Aethis on February 17, 2009, 02:20:35 AM
I think we need to bait them more, try and isolate them one by one, if a guy comes into Anttiri try and trap him.

Also I think the fight in Inari may have been a trap laid by them, we should of warped to the gate after tha Abaddon docked, then we may of been able to catch that Pilgrim alone as it was arriving in the system as backup.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 17, 2009, 05:30:13 AM
I think it went pretty well last night :)  We had a pretty good view on where they were and what they were doing, and we did hit where it did hurt most :)  Thanks for Mangala for FCing, I have a hard time believing this is your first time FCing in a corp-war!

I did remember yesterday wrong my shift for Wednesday; it's not a goddamnearly shift, but a normal early shift. Thus I can hang around today until perhaps 22:00 server time :)  Tomorrow OTOH I won't be available too late.

Let's keep concentrated and keep on hitting where it hurts :)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: peo on February 17, 2009, 06:01:40 AM
Was great fun :)
Good result and all. However we should realize they were probably not prepared for us to fight. Now that they know they have two choices, retract wardec or step things up.
Since we don't know what their goals are the likely action is stepping up.

I agree that the Inaro thing most likely was a trap. They baited us with a BS and then had us split up chasing the cloaker which gave them time to reinforce and come out with other kinds of ships. I think we should avoid trying to catch single ships in a station as they will play the docking game.

Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 17, 2009, 06:27:03 AM
And lets not chase inties or stealth bombers ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 17, 2009, 08:10:59 AM
I've created a trial account. The pilot is in Anttiri now. As it is a trial, I can't run it on the same computer as the two paid accounts, *but* luckily I have the shitty laptop right next to me. No use in combat, but I can sit at gates and watch Local with it. So, tonight do tell me where to park this third pilot of mine :)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Sinedia on February 17, 2009, 08:31:17 AM
I'm sorry I missed yesterday :(
But it seems I got all the time tonight :) (My wife will be babysitting at her sisters children :P)

My main is itching to get some kills  8)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: bebur on February 17, 2009, 09:34:57 AM
Well i will  be online again. won't miss the fun. hehe.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 17, 2009, 10:16:19 AM
Regarding E-war. Seeing that there were so few (read:  Zero ;) ) Merlins in corp hangar, I decided yesterday to use a Condor instead. The main difference to a Merlin is that there are fewer slots, ie 1 low, 2 med and 3 high; I used Overdrive injection, AB, warp scrambler and two energy vampires. The good thing compared to a Merlin is of course the fact that the Condor is a *fast* ship (fastest T1 Caldari ship as far as I know), so it was easy to get into action with it.

I wonder if it would be better to fit some other E-War module instead of the warp scrambler? Or should I stick with the scrambler?
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 17, 2009, 10:23:50 AM
It really depends on who's on and what we're up against.  You need 2-3 tacklers per 1.5 hostile(s) (aye - that fraction is supposed to be there).
There was some good tackling yesterday - just remember to keep a nice tight orbit around the target (by tight I mean you should be able to wave to the pilot) and you'll receive less dmg from them.

There's not much chance of them fitting a SmartBomb due to concord kicking their ass - likewise they won't use the missile based bombs.

In terms of other types of EW - tracking disruptors are good - then either TP's or Damps.  Alas as we're in empire burst ECM isn't an option (concord doesn't like them also).
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Caradir on February 17, 2009, 10:30:25 AM
aye as rubino says in high sec they WILL NOT fit smarts as it usually results in collateral which CONCORD frowns upon with BOOM so tacklers orbit at 500 and laugh as there guns cant track you ;)

Ill be in my new shiny Stealth Bomber later (packs a bigger punch than the kessie i was in last night)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Dehn on February 17, 2009, 10:50:08 AM
Gonna try to buy a few executioners to keep in stock as well..

just with a single gun, a scramnler and an afterburner..  and aim for quick movement.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Warcold on February 17, 2009, 11:38:56 AM
Aye, as beo said, we are in great debt to the scouts we had yesterday. Without them we would have been blind to enemies movement. Great job there!
I've stuck enough feathers in beo's ass yesterday in game for his FC-ing, so doubt any more will fit.  ;)


I have a new theory about why they decced us btw. When lying in bed, it dawned to me that they were bothering mac when he was mining in Inari, which seems to be their home system. So, I thought, maybe they just want Inari for themselves and discourage everyone to go there. I remembered vaguely some POSs they killed were in Inari too. I just looked that up and: yup, they were in Inari; most, if not all of em.
So I dont expect them to wardec us for money, they just want to scare us out of Inari (THEORY ALERT!).
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Dehn on February 17, 2009, 12:10:19 PM
If so, we'll just move to Inari to roam there with our fleets :)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Bethor on February 17, 2009, 12:27:47 PM

My main is itching to get some kills  8)

i can shoot you a few times if you want.. or did you want to kill someone instead of be killed..? :D
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Sinedia on February 17, 2009, 12:40:15 PM
i can shoot you a few times if you want.. or did you want to kill someone instead of be killed..? :D

Why am I not surprised to get such a remark from you  :P ;D
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Pashur on February 17, 2009, 01:15:05 PM
...
- just remember to keep a nice tight orbit around the target (by tight I mean you should be able to wave to the pilot) and you'll receive less dmg from them.
...
Interesting. My thought after yesterday was that it would be better to put 2 TD, or a TD and a Warp disruptor, on a crucifier and stay far away where the orbital speed is higher and no stasis web can reach you. I was killed yesterday in a punisher, equipped with a stasis and lasers, because I was webbed.
I was also a bit slow to react when our fleet started heading for bed ;)
Anyway, I would appreciate if someone could give me some pro and cons for very close and very far away.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 17, 2009, 01:51:18 PM
Frigate far away looking in to the wrong end of a 250mm gun  = an absolutely dead frigate

Frigate close orbiting fast = a frigate that might survive
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 17, 2009, 01:56:37 PM
If their statis web can't hit you - then yours won't be able to hit them :)

You web to slow them down allowing the tracking on guns to be more effective - which I think then translates into a factors: sig of your ship, signature resolution of thier guns and the distance between you both.  Guns also have a blind spot - usually inside at around their (optimal - falloff).

The other aspect to keep in mind is who is shooting at you - which in gang vs gang isn't always clear.  It may well be that the ship you are tackling isn't the one attacking one - but somebody else in their gang (or one of your own if the overview isn't setup right).
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 17, 2009, 02:53:31 PM
So, what are the plans for tonight? People just come to game and see what is going on, or do we have something a bit more organised planned?

Also, who all will be around tonight?
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Caradir on February 17, 2009, 03:10:02 PM
ill be there in my spanking new Manticore, ive been shadowing them around anttiri for a lot of today they are camping 14 with at least 2 stealthed ships at all times, it seems more are appearing in local but we shall see what its like when we come on and in our usual planned way probably wing it the best we can ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: peo on February 17, 2009, 03:16:09 PM
Wouldn't undock without a plan to be honest :)
Thats a bit to suicidal for me even :D
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 17, 2009, 04:30:25 PM
In a couple hours Swuleia is ready to take her Bantam called "Im noob pls dont kill" to the asteroid belts of Anttiri, to mine in a totally harmless way :P
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 17, 2009, 04:37:16 PM
I'll be on later than usual tonight, around 8-9 server (life is in my way), but dont let that stop you from starting when people are on and baying for blood.  I'd suggest similar to lastnight, roam from safe to safe, watch gates, jump them when it seems in your favour and generally make a nuisance of yourselves. Although, try to get people eyes on the outside of the stations you are using so you can be forwarned if they have decided to openly camp you in etc.

When I get on, I'll see whats what and if something different is called fo then we can try any alternatives that may present themselves.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Macrune on February 17, 2009, 04:45:39 PM

I have a new theory about why they decced us btw. When lying in bed, it dawned to me that they were bothering mac when he was mining in Inari, which seems to be their home system. So, I thought, maybe they just want Inari for themselves and discourage everyone to go there. I remembered vaguely some POSs they killed were in Inari too. I just looked that up and: yup, they were in Inari; most, if not all of em.
So I dont expect them to wardec us for money, they just want to scare us out of Inari (THEORY ALERT!).

Well if thats the case i most definately WONT be moving my miners out of there. Once the wardec has expired and im going to make sure i mine out as many fields a day as i possibly can.  ;D
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 17, 2009, 04:46:12 PM

I have a new theory about why they decced us btw. When lying in bed, it dawned to me that they were bothering mac when he was mining in Inari, which seems to be their home system. So, I thought, maybe they just want Inari for themselves and discourage everyone to go there. I remembered vaguely some POSs they killed were in Inari too. I just looked that up and: yup, they were in Inari; most, if not all of em.
So I dont expect them to wardec us for money, they just want to scare us out of Inari (THEORY ALERT!).

Well if thats the case i most definately WONT be moving my miners out of there. Once the wardec has expired and im going to make sure i mine out as many fields a day as i possibly can.  ;D

Thats my boy ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Caradir on February 17, 2009, 05:00:15 PM
Well if thats the case i most definately WONT be moving my miners out of there. Once the wardec has expired and im going to make sure i mine out as many fields a day as i possibly can.  ;D

once helens in her hulk i thinkn ill join you at those juicy roids, they certainly are not the biggest player in that system there is a HUGE alliance with masses of POS's around the moons (cant remember the name off the top of my head, hermane science or something )

what i can say is that they dont have a POS there as i scouted every moon this afternoon, between following Mcred wherever he went in his SB :)

they dock at perkone in M18 in Anttiri iirc so think thats where they are keeping replacement ships.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Caradir on February 17, 2009, 05:01:40 PM
snip  (life is in my way) snip

Unless its a booty call your a slacker ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Aethis on February 17, 2009, 05:33:41 PM
7 enemies in Anttiri, at least 2 camping the M14 Spacelane patrol station. Various gates also camped.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Warcold on February 17, 2009, 05:57:37 PM

I have a new theory about why they decced us btw. When lying in bed, it dawned to me that they were bothering mac when he was mining in Inari, which seems to be their home system. So, I thought, maybe they just want Inari for themselves and discourage everyone to go there. I remembered vaguely some POSs they killed were in Inari too. I just looked that up and: yup, they were in Inari; most, if not all of em.
So I dont expect them to wardec us for money, they just want to scare us out of Inari (THEORY ALERT!).

Well if thats the case i most definately WONT be moving my miners out of there. Once the wardec has expired and im going to make sure i mine out as many fields a day as i possibly can.  ;D
I hoped you'd say that  :D
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Jarkko on February 17, 2009, 09:15:36 PM
Now we know their price. They demand 150 million ISK  ;D  Not good business for them :D
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Aethis on February 17, 2009, 09:26:25 PM
Guerilla warfare FTW!

We have sat in Anttiri hiding waiting for the right moment when one of them got careless, unfortunately this didn't happen but we did succeed in pissing them off!

If anyone logs on beware of undocking in Anttiri they have the station camped.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Caradir on February 17, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
They smacked local we banged some ibises against their ships :)

They like there T2 ships, and offered in local a 3M isk per member fee to end war :)

i was tempted to tell them to shove it as they already lost 100M if they want 150 they can take it from my bloody corpse but i didnt , com silence remains enforced until this ends :)

id say we are winning the psychological battle.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Caradir on February 17, 2009, 10:43:54 PM
Just so you know ive been harassing them in an ibis with an alt called red rag, those guys assume its red 7 and have been smacking with that assumption all night , hilarious
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Warcold on February 17, 2009, 11:01:37 PM
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Safran Foer > scotayne and orrin are definately alts, they logged together yesterday too
as they did today...
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 08:57:26 AM
Apologies guys.  One thibng lead to another and I found myself passed out.  Feeling rough - very roughj right now.

So they are asking for a ransom? HAHA!  That figure seems to cover their loss more than anything. Fuck them.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 08:59:37 AM
Guerilla warfare FTW!

We have sat in Anttiri hiding waiting for the right moment when one of them got careless, unfortunately this didn't happen but we did succeed in pissing them off!

If anyone logs on beware of undocking in Anttiri they have the station camped.

I wouldnt say you were hiding, I'd say doing what the VC did in Vietnam - sitting in the jungle shouting at the GI's trying to find them, taunting them into breaking their own cover etc ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Dehn on February 18, 2009, 09:29:20 AM
So they are asking for a ransom? HAHA!  That figure seems to cover their loss more than anything. Fuck them.

150M is not enough for us to accept peace with them :=)

Just wait 2 days, then make the war mutual, and keep harassing them with cheap frigates.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 09:37:59 AM
So they are asking for a ransom? HAHA!  That figure seems to cover their loss more than anything. Fuck them.

150M is not enough for us to accept peace with them :=)

Just wait 2 days, then make the war mutual, and keep harassing them with cheap frigates.

that would imply no more mining and no more missionrunning. thus no income for the corp. I thought we also needet to provide a pos with fuel so that might be hard also.

Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Warcold on February 18, 2009, 09:38:24 AM
these guys have quite some drones flying around
how useful will it be to have one frig dedicated to killing the drones?
esp with all our e-war and with the maelstrom for instance doing nothing in close range... late last night when we got out to try and take the HIC i got hit quite easily in MWD rifter while in close orbit, but didnt really check if it was missiles or drones that hit me. if it was drones, taking them out might be useful

how easy can a frig hit drones and how easy do they pop?
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 09:41:48 AM
POS has a couple of months worth of fuel sat in KASEI's base station.

However I cant really be logging Simud Solaris on in Antiri local as right after he logs, Mang would log on....
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 18, 2009, 09:45:03 AM
I have an alt that I need to bring into Anttiri that's in another corp and flies an Itty V.
Just need to trade the fuel, I'll drop it into a can at the POS and a KASEI alt transfer from the can to the POS.

I have a chunk of the day free today - so I'll be around.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Pashur on February 18, 2009, 09:59:00 AM
...
Just wait 2 days, then make the war mutual, and keep harassing them with cheap frigates.

...
I wouldnt say you were hiding, I'd say doing what the VC did in Vietnam - sitting in the jungle shouting at the GI's trying to find them, taunting them into breaking their own cover etc ;)

I am not sure we can do much harassing. I actually think the war hurts us a bit more than it hurts them. We use mining and missions to earn our income. They extort. I am sure they do some mining etc as well but not in the corp they use for extortions. This means we cannot annoy their miners.
What I am saying is that in a war of attrition we may loose more than they do. With time we will have a pvp fleet that can deliver a punch, but it is not there just yet. In conclusion, I don't think we should prolong the war unless we benefit from it.
While there is a war let us kill what we can but if they seem stronger we bore them to death. Hanging outside Antt. 14 without even a response from us in local chat, how fun is that  ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 10:06:37 AM
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Hanging outside Antt. 14 without even a response from us in local chat, how fun is that

Exactly. yes it sint fun for us, but we werent really prepared for war - as we can see by the excellent tips Bethor has provided in his Docked for War thread.

It has been said by someone better than me (cant recall who):

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One day they are going to throw a war, and no-one is going to come
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Rubino on February 18, 2009, 10:14:27 AM
Paying isn't a good idea - not only does it send the wrong message to the community at large (we're an easy touch), being in a state of war is something we will face more of in the coming months.

Camping and being camped is intrinsic within eve - be it gates, stations, POS's or some random celestial.  With active conflict as we're facing now - we have a good opportunity to work out the kinks in ship fits, working as a team and dealing with an opposing side that is better equipped and has more experience.

I know you're not suggesting paying Pash - but the attrition works both ways - while they are war-deccing us - they're probably not wardeccing another corp.  We're not paying up and they're only loosing T2 ships - which hits their wallet (their ISK generation a day has gone down).

I don't know about you guys - but my miners have diverted some of their training time to having good tackling and EW skills.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Rubino on February 18, 2009, 10:16:17 AM
Which reminds me - some damn good ss's the other day!
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: vacuum on February 18, 2009, 11:07:38 AM
Create mining alt corp. Move the miners to Alt corp. Carry on regardless.
Keep warriors in main corp, and abuse the hell out of them.
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 11:31:06 AM
Paying isn't a good idea - not only does it send the wrong message to the community at large (we're an easy touch), being in a state of war is something we will face more of in the coming months.

I dont mind wars, but in this case i'd say pay. In the end we would have payed 150 mil for some valuable lessons. And once you get lvl 4 missions gooing good (if someone feels like it i can start them in blackrise i thing, caldari navy corp) 150mil isnt that much.

Also next war (if we actually learnt something, and i think we did) we will be (more) prepared and we can afford to drag it on a bit.

as already stated we are loosing money by the fact that we cannot mine and mission atm.  And dragging on the war doesnt actually gain us anything (except when we get a fleet out, than we get valuable pvp experiance)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Pashur on February 18, 2009, 11:34:27 AM
Just to make it clear. Hanging outside 14 is very, very, boring for them. That is what I meant by boring them to death. Their isk/h must be lousy and on top of that very boring :)

A miner Alt corp, yes I like that. That is why I asked earlier if we should move miners out of MAADI so we could keep mining in spite of the war.
Of course that corp could be extorted as well and a new move etc. I don't know the corp part of Eve so this may be a logistically difficult or time consuming.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 11:36:45 AM
well a decent high sec war corp would sooner dec an all miner corp becouse that hurts them a lot more and they will pay a lot more.

imo you need fighters in a corp to defend it's assets
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 11:37:23 AM
and hanging outside the station is for them as boring as for us sitting inside the station they are hanging outside of :D
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Warcold on February 18, 2009, 11:51:05 AM
I think ppl think more about yesterday (sitting inside station, hiding) than about monday (kicking their asses).
Yesterday was unfortunate because a lot of ppl were away, doing RL, and we didnt have much of a fleet. Ofc this sucks for the ppl that ARE logged in and yes, we are not making ISK atm. But I think we shouldnt give up over one rough day.
Although prolonging the war might not be a very good idea, paying up is something I would rebel against. Let's just hope we can gather a significant fleet again tonight and make them hurt again. We might lose isk now, but we are gaining experience which may be even more valuable. I don't expect them to prolong the war, esp. if we don't feck up giving them some easy fights.
Let's give em hard fights and tough losses and make em run with their tails between their legs.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 11:54:41 AM
yesterday at the time i was on we had 10 ppl in fleet, and thus active (i guess) yet since most of them were in station we couldn't assable the fleet.

unless most of you got out yesterday somewhere i guess the situation will be the same as yesterday.

I will log on when i get home. Have some work thingy tonight which i must attend (and it is going to be boring as hell with no alcohol!)
Title: Re: War-Decced
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 11:59:22 AM
these guys have quite some drones flying around
how useful will it be to have one frig dedicated to killing the drones?
esp with all our e-war and with the maelstrom for instance doing nothing in close range... late last night when we got out to try and take the HIC i got hit quite easily in MWD rifter while in close orbit, but didnt really check if it was missiles or drones that hit me. if it was drones, taking them out might be useful

how easy can a frig hit drones and how easy do they pop?

if you could succeed in killing their drones it would dammage them quite a bit. t2 drones are around 0.5-1mil a piece. so might not be a bad idea to try that.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Rubino on February 18, 2009, 12:16:14 PM
It's not really worth it - frigs should be tackling their primary, have a lock on their secondary and be ready to move.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: peo on February 18, 2009, 12:28:08 PM
yesterday at the time i was on we had 10 ppl in fleet, and thus active (i guess) yet since most of them were in station we couldn't assable the fleet.

unless most of you got out yesterday somewhere i guess the situation will be the same as yesterday.

I will log on when i get home. Have some work thingy tonight which i must attend (and it is going to be boring as hell with no alcohol!)

You seem to forget that from thoose 10 we had no one willing/able to FC.
At least 5 are chars with less than 3 months of existence flying t1 equipped frigs and cruisers.
At the same time they had 8-10 people online, flying t2 ships with t2 equipment and probably most of them have more than 1 year of training to back it up.
Sure we could have done something if we were undocked and spread around, but without leadership and without the "veterans" in the corp we would be hard pressed to do squat. Flying around in a big circle is hardly much better than being camped.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 12:40:53 PM
yesterday at the time i was on we had 10 ppl in fleet, and thus active (i guess) yet since most of them were in station we couldn't assable the fleet.

unless most of you got out yesterday somewhere i guess the situation will be the same as yesterday.

I will log on when i get home. Have some work thingy tonight which i must attend (and it is going to be boring as hell with no alcohol!)

You seem to forget that from thoose 10 we had no one willing/able to FC.
At least 5 are chars with less than 3 months of existence flying t1 equipped frigs and cruisers.
At the same time they had 8-10 people online, flying t2 ships with t2 equipment and probably most of them have more than 1 year of training to back it up.
Sure we could have done something if we were undocked and spread around, but without leadership and without the "veterans" in the corp we would be hard pressed to do squat. Flying around in a big circle is hardly much better than being camped.


My mistake than, thought we had roughly the same ppl as the day before.

Dunno about your definition of vets though, i know 4  EX LESY pilotes were online and undocked in ships and Bebur and I were flying a SB, a frig but still. Think Hrodgar also got out of the station at some point. If the defintion of Vet would be character age and experiance i'd say Sinedia and i will probably qualify and Magnus and Bebur will also come quite a long way.

Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Dehn on February 18, 2009, 12:58:52 PM
I think its good for us to stay in war for a while longer, this is good training.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: peo on February 18, 2009, 01:20:55 PM
Yes... I know Hrodgar made it out since I'm Hrodgar.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 01:34:24 PM
so basically what we missed was FC

becouse (i am asuming you have more than 3 m. experiance) the rest of us outside did have experiance and good ships  :D

but in the case there is no FC on i wouldnt mind picking it op next time :)  (if there is a next time ofc )
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Caradir on February 18, 2009, 01:36:29 PM
we will NEVER pay to end a war, this sends out the tottaly wrong message.

and, yes, yesterday was dull, however i got out late last night with my SB which is parked mid-warp to a safe

Saf got out and we tested them with just our 3 ships for the loss of my crappy kessie due to stupid station fighting, god its dull.

harassing them with alts made them mad, they think we are less able than we actually are (you all know we are :)   )

they rely on better gear and numbers to keep the war going, every kill we get  (as slowly as that comes) hurts them more than, them killing a few frigs/cruisers that we field, hurts us.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: peo on February 18, 2009, 01:40:03 PM
so basically what we missed was FC

becouse (i am asuming you have more than 3 m. experiance) the rest of us outside did have experiance and good ships  :D

but in the case there is no FC on i wouldnt mind picking it op next time :)  (if there is a next time ofc )

No I have about 2 and it was probably more luck than anything else.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 01:47:04 PM
I understand you as corp don't want to pay up :) (and that i personally disagree doesn't change anything in my participation in any organised fleet ops)

 just wanted to be sure you'd know the consequences. That is the corp not making any cash, and if they are indeed suplying ships for people that lost one, the corp is loosing cash/.

The message it sends out will be limited anyway, if there is any.  Wether it is paying up or just continuing. Also wondering what message you'd think you'd send. Personally i think none, one way or the other.
 
and what use is making them mad. in fact, that might persuade them to keep the war going for longer, because mad people don't think rationally.

Than again i am used to mining corperations. And we mined more than 150 mil a day if mining.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Jarkko on February 18, 2009, 01:47:32 PM
We should *not* fold in. No no no no. Folding in is *stupid*. We'd just be milked by other wardeccers when the word goes around. We want to be know as the corp that can not be milked, we do *not* want to be known as the corp that folds in at first sight of boredom.

Folding in this case would be the most stupid thing to do.


About pilots yesterday. Bethor doesn't know us all yet :) I was flying three pilots (which all are outside from the base now btw). Caradir was also flying at least two. We really weren't that many around as we wanted our enemy to believe (OTOH, if even our own corp members believe we have huge numbers, then one can only imagine what the enemy believs ;) ). Even if we would have all been players instead of players with several alts, we'd still have been without a FC and we'd still have been outnumbered and we'd still have been flying lousier boats.

To fight we need an FC and we need to know where and when to hit so that the odds are in our favour. We have shown we can give out more pain than we recieve, but lets not be like japanese during II WorldWar and believe we can win every fight at any odds :)

I believe we are the smarter ones in this war, please let's act like we are the smart ones :)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 01:47:56 PM
Yes... I know Hrodgar made it out since I'm Hrodgar.

and how exactly was i supposed to know that?  :o
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Jarkko on February 18, 2009, 01:48:59 PM
Yes... I know Hrodgar made it out since I'm Hrodgar.

and how exactly was i supposed to know that?  :o
http://handsofjustice.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=406.0
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 01:53:39 PM
Yes... I know Hrodgar made it out since I'm Hrodgar.

and how exactly was i supposed to know that?  :o
http://handsofjustice.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=406.0

fair enough :D
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
than again, you couldnt expect of me to read a topic where people from one game (well that is how i interpeted it anyway) named themself in another game if i didnt play the one game in the first place  ::)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Jarkko on February 18, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
Create mining alt corp. Move the miners to Alt corp. Carry on regardless.
Keep warriors in main corp, and abuse the hell out of them.
This is good advice! I'll take Swuuler and Swuliina out of MAADI and remain in the NPC corp for the time being (can't get wardecced in the NPC corporations ;D). Swuliina needs to get a jumpclone anyway, so she'll be prepared to join KASEI after this fracass (and until then she can chew rocks like before when Swuleia is not needed as a kamikaze pilot :P), as I'd think leaving MAADI and join KASEI would give too much info :)  Swuuler is Swuul's trader alt, and he has been my main source of ISK for the past couple weeks (and the business is not good when he is stuck sitting in Jita :P )
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Jarkko on February 18, 2009, 02:12:24 PM
than again, you couldnt expect of me to read a topic where people from one game (well that is how i interpeted it anyway) named themself in another game if i didnt play the one game in the first place  ::)
The EVE names are listed next to our forum names, so it would be good information. Then again, I've always said (and it has been proved time and time again) that nobody (including me) ever read stickies ;) ;D
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 02:16:01 PM
i did read the 1st page :D [edit] erm.. 1st post on the 1st page [/edit]
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Caradir on February 18, 2009, 02:49:56 PM
*snip*  that nobody (including me) never read stickies ;) ;D


whats a sticky? seriously un less something changes in em i probably forget everything thats contained in 'em :)

as Homer Simpson says " Everytime i learn something new. It pushes something old out of my brain."  so i limit the damage ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: bebur on February 18, 2009, 03:52:05 PM
i am glad we don't pay up. never pay ransom, because they we be back for more at some point.

at this moment i think we are doing great. they don't know what they are up against. first day we did some nice damage to them. yesterday we bored them, what makes us unpredictable.
was online this afternoon, did some recon. not all of them have good equip. it's only 4-5. and they almost always fly in t2 cruisers (heavy assault).

best thing to win from them is what we did first day, get a fleet. keep warping around and scatter them. as they are scattered make hit and runs. warp in, take weak one out, and try to get away. only thing that needs is patience.

Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Aethis on February 18, 2009, 04:01:41 PM
We are still in the positives, late last night a Phobos was on its own outside M14 station and 4 of us went out, we got it down to its armour but if there had been 1 or 2 more people we could of done more dps and maybe killed it, unfortunately because we took so long more enemies began to come in.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Macrune on February 18, 2009, 04:27:58 PM
I agree with the mining alt corp. We can still use the same channel to talk in so that wont create an issue.
Paying up? as i said on another thread i would be against this. But at the end of the day its not my decision to make. That for the corp leaders to decide.

Alt frigate bumping. I think this should stop. Because it doesnt advance our cause at all, it annoys them thereby creating a chance that the war will continue past the point where they would normally fold. It gives the impression that we actually care they are there and we are reacting to them. It kind of spoils the eccelent silence we've managed to keep in local.

*edit*

regarding the alt corp for our miners etc.  If we do this then we will all have to move our mining operations to new areas otherwise it wont take them long to cotton on to what we've done and we could then fin ourselves subject to a second war dec on the new corp.....unless of course we just move them into an npc corp. How would that effect them? I assume they cant wardec an entire npc corp or can they?
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Warcold on February 18, 2009, 04:47:38 PM
meh, we had a Orrin's Maelstrom to half structure...
then i got jammed and he warped off  :|

I logged off now, but will be back online at 7-ish eve time i think
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 04:57:48 PM
cant dec npc corps
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 05:00:23 PM

2009.02.18 14:34

well option is simple we'll just leave the dec running  till you pay for giggles we're happy to pop you guys all day long.

150mill is peanuts for a corp your size and should be treated as such however you've already lost 1 member how many more you wanna lose?

and reason do we need one?
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2009.02.18 12:26
Other than purely for fun - which it has been for us by the way - what is your reason for such a war-dec, would be nice to know. Personally fun is the best and only reason :)

Oh and why would we wish to surrender?

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2009.02.17 20:49
to end war fee will be 3mill per toon thats 150mill for ease to be paid to our corp otherwise your guys will learn first hand that when the station walking comes out you can get beaten around head and forced to undock :)

scotayne hawkins
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 05:00:45 PM
Thats mails between Angaraka and him - he sent the first one lastnight.


member leaving refers to Magnus for a clone.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Warcold on February 18, 2009, 05:07:34 PM
who is gonna join the fray tonight? if we are to make a fighting chance we need every capsuleer we can muster. otherwise it will be sitting in station again for the whole night

anyway, hope as many as possible can make it
i'll do my best to be there at about 7-ish evetime
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 05:10:09 PM
Scotayne and I had a slight convo before i logged Angaraka - dinner is important:
Quote
Angaraka Solaris
  Session started: 2009.02.18 17:02:31
---------------------------------------------------------------

?[ 2009.02.18 17:02:52 ] scotayne hawkins > so your guys going to make a fleet or just log in and stay docked?
?[ 2009.02.18 17:03:07 ] Angaraka Solaris > no idea, im skill flipping this alt while I make dinner
?[ 2009.02.18 17:03:15 ] scotayne hawkins > or they just going to quit corp like one has already
?[ 2009.02.18 17:03:30 ] scotayne hawkins > ah any excuse so your not undocking either

I then logged ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 05:11:44 PM
So they have no reason to dec it seems.

Also they are willing it looks like to keep this up indefinetly and will regard people leaving - even the miners - as a victory :S
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: peo on February 18, 2009, 05:12:46 PM
who is gonna join the fray tonight? if we are to make a fighting chance we need every capsuleer we can muster. otherwise it will be sitting in station again for the whole night

anyway, hope as many as possible can make it
i'll do my best to be there at about 7-ish evetime

I'll be online after dinner, which is on the cooker now.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Jarkko on February 18, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
I have the damn early shift tomorrow, and I really need the sleep tonight. I'll log on for a while, but it is better I won't stay any longer period of time so that I don't accidently stick around too long :)

Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 06:29:43 PM
'bout an hour and a half here then i'll be on.

Some stuff to sort out so I know my evening wont be interuppted and I'll be set - as well as some trivial shit too. Already in a ship sitting at a safe a few jumps out of Anttiri, for when I log in.

Late I know, but my plans for the next few days that I'd given myself off have changed alot due to stuff happening today in real life, so Im trying to get some time in on this 3rd day of the war, to help us get some more kills, some experience and such too, but things conspire against me.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Warcold on February 18, 2009, 07:17:00 PM
np m8

nothing serious in RL I hope. See you when you get on :)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Not straying OT too much ,suffice to say, my working life is in panic mode right now, due to my accountant not doing shit properly and the Revenue noticing and paying him a visit and sending all of us clients letters :(

Anyways, 7 of them online at mo. Scotayne was in our public channel. Not anymore I just banned the entire MTCU from using it.  Also Goldplated Ibis just applied again to join, please NOBODY accept it.

Edit: Now ignoring convo requests from scotayne - mainly as im on the phone and also cos I'd find it hard to be polite (which would wind him up more I did that :D) in light of my rl today.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
Ive been crap tonight - online but 99% afk :(

Anyways, I'll lead a gang, big or small - suicidal or homicidal - tomorrow evening from 7ish going forward. After a scroll of the chat Ive missed, some oportunities presented themselves and couldnt be acted upon due to people being afk/not being on etc. I'd really like to change that if I can - so this is a general call to arms :)

And I have some rage I need to take out somewhere ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: vacuum on February 18, 2009, 10:40:02 PM
So they have no reason to dec it seems.

Also they are willing it looks like to keep this up indefinetly and will regard people leaving - even the miners - as a victory :S

Let them, why give a shit what they think.
Get the miners making money safely, and form fleets and gank the fuck out of the stupid ones.
They'll get blueballs and go dec someone else once it costs them another week of the war.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Warcold on February 18, 2009, 10:48:26 PM
Quote
blueballs
are those that candy you could buy in my youth that changed colour when you sucked on them?  :D
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Macrune on February 18, 2009, 11:10:03 PM
So they have no reason to dec it seems.

Also they are willing it looks like to keep this up indefinetly and will regard people leaving - even the miners - as a victory :S

Let them, why give a shit what they think.
Get the miners making money safely, and form fleets and gank the fuck out of the stupid ones.
They'll get blueballs and go dec someone else once it costs them another week of the war.

Outstanding... quote of the day there from vac  ;D

Tommorrow is my last day at work for 3 days so i should be on tomorrow evening after about 9pm (anything before that will purely be skill changes in passing  :P )

I look forward to getting into a fight with them.  ;D
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Warcold on February 18, 2009, 11:15:01 PM
i'll be away friday up to and including monday, as i will be in Berlin with the mrs. then...
will try to be on tomorrow though
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Rubino on February 18, 2009, 11:16:25 PM
One trick I've used before with an alt corp - was to have the alt corp always wardecc'ing the main.
It costs a few mill a week - but makes it more expensive and less attractive to anybody decc'ing the main corp.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Caradir on February 18, 2009, 11:20:10 PM
Quote
2009.02.18 23:18
The war between Merchants Trade Consortium and Ma'adim Logistics is coming to an end. Merchants Trade Consortium has retracted the war against Ma'adim Logistics. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.


keep being careful guys until this is done ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Warcold on February 18, 2009, 11:22:16 PM
WHOOHAHA! Such losers!

[edit]this is not because someone hit the pay-150M-button, right?[/edit]
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 11:22:28 PM
Quote
2009.02.18 23:18
The war between Merchants Trade Consortium and Ma'adim Logistics is coming to an end. Merchants Trade Consortium has retracted the war against Ma'adim Logistics. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.


keep being careful guys until this is done ;)


JESUS LOL!!!!
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 11:23:58 PM
WHOOHAHA! Such losers!

[edit]this is not because someone hit the pay-150M-button, right?[/edit]

Hope not.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Warcold on February 18, 2009, 11:24:54 PM
i'm so tempted to shout: 'dec em back, dec em back!'

but guess that won't do us any good...
will be cool though  :p
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Caradir on February 18, 2009, 11:26:44 PM
if we see any of those guys in our lo-sec roams we kill em heck ill pay 5M to whomsoever gets the killing blow ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Warcold on February 18, 2009, 11:27:09 PM
Quote
Anyways, I'll lead a gang, big or small - suicidal or homicidal - tomorrow evening from 7ish going forward.
So guess this will be a station camp in Inari, smacking in local and such?   :D
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 18, 2009, 11:27:15 PM
Could do - give it a couple of weeks - let the less well off guys in corp make some money, let people get JC's etc (still lots of people to get them I know).  Although lets scout them out a bit more (with alts so its not too obvious) and also, if they dec anyone else in the meantime ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 18, 2009, 11:31:45 PM
war is retracted. hostilities will cease in 24 hours
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Aethis on February 19, 2009, 12:32:48 AM
I got an eve-mail from CONCORD as well!


2009.02.18 23:18
The war between Merchants Trade Consortium and Ma'adim Logistics is coming to an end. Merchants Trade Consortium has retracted the war against Ma'adim Logistics. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.

 ;D

Guess we bored them into giving up?  :P
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Jarkko on February 19, 2009, 04:28:15 AM
We won?!
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: peo on February 19, 2009, 06:09:25 AM
Haha, they realized they wouldn't make a profit no matter what. Have a feeling they probably faced some annoyance in their own ranks due to only loosing valuable ships while not getting any tears in local.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Warcold on February 19, 2009, 06:33:54 AM
i think us making some visits to inari yesterday and they not being able to stop us coming through their 'blockades' didnt make matters better for em   ;)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Jarkko on February 19, 2009, 06:47:40 AM
After the war is officially over, it is time to capitalise on the propaganda, so that at least corporations considering a war-dec against us would reconsider :)  CAOD is the asylum of EVE, perhaps there is some other forum where possible high-sec war-deccers read forums? No bragging, but make it clear we did like the opportunity to fight. Perhaps something along the lines of:

"On 15th of February 2009 Merchants Trade Consortium declared war on Ma'adim Logistics. The intention of MTC was to extort money from MAADI, ie the usual business in high-sec wars.

Initial clashes on February 16th saw MTC lose ships worth an estimated 200 million ISK, while MAADI lost ships worth an estimated 14 million ISK. After this the war cooled down to a trench-war, and eventually MTC retracted the war declaration. Hostilities between MTC and MAADI ended in the evening of February 19th.

Ma'adim Logistics wants to thank MTC for the opportunity to once again hone our skills in high-sec war. Our newer members are unaminously happy to have recieved valuable lessons in high sec war, while the gritted veterans in our corporation had a chance to try out new tactics in a laid-back manner."

Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: peo on February 19, 2009, 07:08:20 AM
There is a risk to that, some other more determined (better?) corp than mtc could dec us if we make to big a point of it.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Jarkko on February 19, 2009, 07:26:49 AM
There is a risk to that, some other more determined (better?) corp than mtc could dec us if we make to big a point of it.
Exactly why I think it shouldn't be a big fuss. Just that we had fun fighting and didn't fall for the extortion attempt.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: bebur on February 19, 2009, 08:57:15 AM
maybe we indeed did scare them. when i was in inari i had a shot at an interceptor of them. to bad i slacked off a bit due to watching star wars. haha. wel 10 mins later all were in inari watching me. prolly they now just don't know what we are up to and are afraid we hired mercs. since i am in corp just before war-dec. and some more new players if i am not mistaken. just a possibility.
well lot uf us were outside docks scouting and trieing to get them. or just doing their stuff, so they saw we are not afraid anyway.

anyway. wankers. haha

and what now? let them just end it? or are we gonna try to get them tonight? else i would say go mine in inari, let them flip some cans or so and shoot them with stealthers. and idd ofc try to get them in low sec.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 19, 2009, 09:10:00 AM
War is still running till 23.20ish. So having a pop at them tonight it still something to do.


After that - I'd like to focus on getting newer members JC'd, getting money coming in for them, as well as getting our industry back up to speed until the next war with whomever throws one.  ALso I'll be finding offices in other places and having stashes setup.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 19, 2009, 09:36:49 AM
Personallhy i think they ended the war becouse the expected a group of newbish miners.

Since we have no real big mining ops in the corp they couldnt hurt us by hampering mining ops.
Also the fight we put up 1st day helped a lot.

If/when we would have had real production/mining a war like this would have hurt a lot. you can ask sin what a prodction/mining crop (so that is excluding individual gains of players) makes a day.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: bebur on February 19, 2009, 09:52:59 AM
sounds reasonable. especially because they only demand 150m. a well. most of us enjoyd it and learned some about wars. what helps a lot in future. :) we are just a bunch of carebears that bite back. haha
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 19, 2009, 10:20:58 AM
you're expertise is asked in this thread beb..

explore setup (http://handsofjustice.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=768.0;topicseen)

cant check my fitting at work

will look for the guide i used for exploring :D to help out.


back to topick

And well in the end i'm just glad the war is over. Nothing good comes from it anyway
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Sinedia on February 19, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
If/when we would have had real production/mining a war like this would have hurt a lot. you can ask sin what a prodction/mining crop (so that is excluding individual gains of players) makes a day.

A mining op which takes a couple of hours and where all members would join like we had every Sunday after DT in the Legacy Syndicate???

Several hundred million... but that is easily calculated: every can is about 3,5 million and a Hulk can do a can per 15/20 minutes or so... Legacy Syndicate had 10 Hulks in the air with a good mining op and we mined for about 3 to 4 hours... so that would be about 300 to 400 million on a good mining op.

We never cashed it off course, since we liked to have the minerals for T2 production (which would make a billion a weak easily with only 5 members doing the actual work).

But that's the corp alone... all those miners mined during the weak ass well for their personal profits... so a war like this would be really painful for a reasonably working mining / production corp... To be honest... I'd pay the 150 million in a sec... (I actually did several times... I'd rather make some good cash than sit docked in a station). War is only useful if you can actually fight as a corp.

And that is exactly the reason why there are corps like the one that dec'd us. They know a war like this would hurt operations enormously for an industrial corp.
And that is probably the reason why they didn't proceed the war against us... it didn't really hurt the corp that much... some individual players lost a bit of cash on this (I lost about a 100 million or so by not being able to mine), but that's peanuts really... They knew we where not going to pay... and that made this war futile...
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Rubino on February 19, 2009, 01:59:38 PM
After the war is officially over, it is time to capitalise on the propaganda, so that at least corporations considering a war-dec against us would reconsider :)  CAOD is the asylum of EVE, perhaps there is some other forum where possible high-sec war-deccers read forums? No bragging, but make it clear we did like the opportunity to fight. Perhaps something along the lines of:

"On 15th of February 2009 Merchants Trade Consortium declared war on Ma'adim Logistics. The intention of MTC was to extort money from MAADI, ie the usual business in high-sec wars.

Initial clashes on February 16th saw MTC lose ships worth an estimated 200 million ISK, while MAADI lost ships worth an estimated 14 million ISK. After this the war cooled down to a trench-war, and eventually MTC retracted the war declaration. Hostilities between MTC and MAADI ended in the evening of February 19th.

Ma'adim Logistics wants to thank MTC for the opportunity to once again hone our skills in high-sec war. Our newer members are unaminously happy to have recieved valuable lessons in high sec war, while the gritted veterans in our corporation had a chance to try out new tactics in a laid-back manner."


Let's not - while I am tempted - let's not attract any attention where it's not wanted.
We should get back up to strength - spend some quality time making back any losses and get ready for the new challenges coming.

Quote
If/when we would have had real production/mining a war like this would have hurt a lot. you can ask sin what a prodction/mining crop (so that is excluding individual gains of players) makes a day.
Plans are afoot to make this not an issue - will dish the dirt when things are lined up.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Macrune on February 19, 2009, 02:09:25 PM
After the war is officially over, it is time to capitalise on the propaganda, so that at least corporations considering a war-dec against us would reconsider :)  CAOD is the asylum of EVE, perhaps there is some other forum where possible high-sec war-deccers read forums? No bragging, but make it clear we did like the opportunity to fight. Perhaps something along the lines of:

"On 15th of February 2009 Merchants Trade Consortium declared war on Ma'adim Logistics. The intention of MTC was to extort money from MAADI, ie the usual business in high-sec wars.

Initial clashes on February 16th saw MTC lose ships worth an estimated 200 million ISK, while MAADI lost ships worth an estimated 14 million ISK. After this the war cooled down to a trench-war, and eventually MTC retracted the war declaration. Hostilities between MTC and MAADI ended in the evening of February 19th.

Ma'adim Logistics wants to thank MTC for the opportunity to once again hone our skills in high-sec war. Our newer members are unaminously happy to have recieved valuable lessons in high sec war, while the gritted veterans in our corporation had a chance to try out new tactics in a laid-back manner."


Let's not - while I am tempted - let's not attract any attention where it's not wanted.
We should get back up to strength - spend some quality time making back any losses and get ready for the new challenges coming.

Quote
If/when we would have had real production/mining a war like this would have hurt a lot. you can ask sin what a prodction/mining crop (so that is excluding individual gains of players) makes a day.
Plans are afoot to make this not an issue - will dish the dirt when things are lined up.


I agree with rub.

There are to many numpties out there who would just see this as a challenge and we are just as likely to end up hip deep in war decs as we are to be left alone..


Having said all that i am a little peeved. The gits kept it going all week whilst im at work then withdraw it the day before i actually get som etim eoff where i can now play a bit  :(
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Dehn on February 19, 2009, 02:24:01 PM
Shall we try to fight them tonight?
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Bethor on February 19, 2009, 02:43:22 PM

Quote
If/when we would have had real production/mining a war like this would have hurt a lot. you can ask sin what a prodction/mining crop (so that is excluding individual gains of players) makes a day.
Plans are afoot to make this not an issue - will dish the dirt when things are lined up.


I heared/read somewhere on the forum that you were impling to form an alliance with the production corp? hope this isnt the solution. :)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Dlarah on February 19, 2009, 03:14:01 PM
End of the war sounds nice. :)
But i would just leave it and not make any big deal about it on coad or by having a last fleet roam before the dec ends. Just take it as the learning experience it was and move on. Dont break the no smacking back rule now when it is about to end unless the corp want to make them rethink and dec us again because they get pissed off..
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Rubino on February 19, 2009, 04:22:56 PM

Quote
If/when we would have had real production/mining a war like this would have hurt a lot. you can ask sin what a prodction/mining crop (so that is excluding individual gains of players) makes a day.
Plans are afoot to make this not an issue - will dish the dirt when things are lined up.


I heared/read somewhere on the forum that you were impling to form an alliance with the production corp? hope this isnt the solution. :)

Umm - no.

We have 2 corps:
  1 for R&D, Standings, etc (KASSI)
  1 for combat, mining and manufacturing (MAADI)

While I'm putting words into the bosses mouth:
KASSI should always be separate and unaffiliated with MAADI - it's our empire operation.
MAADI will be everything else - and at some point in the near future based out of 0.0.

In 0.0 we have ratting, mining and manufacturing - even missions with the right kind of 0.0 Outposts (NPC outposts).
The income is far far better in 0.0 than it is in empire.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Rubino on February 19, 2009, 06:15:31 PM
In preparation for this evenings fun and games - can ensure they have frigs/cruisers setup to tackle.
Speed, Web & Scram will be very important - fast locking essential.

We need at least 1 tackler per target.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: peo on February 19, 2009, 06:20:33 PM
Well then we have one target so far :)
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Aethis on February 19, 2009, 08:08:30 PM
Ok coming on in a bit, I will set up to tackle.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 19, 2009, 09:53:51 PM
War's pretty much over.  heres the forum version of the KB summary (http://www.handsofjustice.co.uk/maadikb/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=2):

MTCU - Our First Dec
Class / Kills(kills isk) / losses (losses isk)
Assault frigate / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Battlecruiser / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Battleship / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Black Ops / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Cap. Industrial / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Capsule / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Carrier / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Command ship / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Covert ops / 1(15M) / 0(0M)
Cruiser / 0(0M) / 5(15M)
Destroyer / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Dreadnought / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Electronic Attack Ship / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Exhumer / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Freighter / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Frigate / 0(0M) / 13(2.6M)
Heavy assault / 0(0M) / 1(80M)
Heavy Interdictor / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Industrial / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Industrial Command Ship / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Interceptor / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Interdictor / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Jump Freighter / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Logistics / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Marauder / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Mining barge / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Mothership / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Noobship / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
POS Large / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
POS Medium / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
POS Modules / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
POS Small / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Recon ship / 1(100M) / 0(0M)
Shuttle / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Titan / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Transport / 0(0M) / 0(0M)
Total / 2 (115M) / 19 (97.6M)

So an unlucky HAC loss on our side made it less isk-costly for them, but overall with the early retraction I think we can say that its a possible slight victory for us - on isk alone it is :)

So what did you chaps learn, discuss as much here (http://handsofjustice.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=780) and keep this thread for discussion of MTCU.
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Mangala on February 20, 2009, 07:30:00 PM
We annoyed them so much, they decced that other corp and did this:

http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=corp&name=Merchants+Trade+Consortium&id=5979793&page=1&filter=kills#mail

Cant see any mails for mods or anything around the tower, so I reckon its defunct. Anchored by what is possibly a corp gone quiet in reality.  However damage done suggests it had shields etc..
Title: Re: War-Decced by Merchants Trade Consortium
Post by: Rubino on February 20, 2009, 09:01:27 PM
If they did that in 1 session then it probably didn't have any stront in it.