Hands of Justice
What we have played => Other MMO's we have played => Topic started by: Goatboy on August 19, 2009, 04:11:13 PM
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So let's have it. For all those sceptics... or those of us who are stuck in a train for two hours.
What do you think. Is Elv right? Is it craptastic? Or will this entertain you for a good while? And is the 150 euro lifetime sub worth it?
Entertain meh!
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Cons:
Biggest for me so far: Instanced server nonsense, which is annoying me, the thought is always at the back of my mind. I suppose EVE has spoiled me with 1 cluster, one world, and all thats associated with it, and I know theres probably a slight element of tech limitations (although the most of those will be playerside rather than server as the dbase for this game will be tiny compared to EVE);
Im levelling too fast. Its a gripe I have in any level based game these days, its either a sign of lazy devs and/or accountants ensuringt he NOW NOW NOW demographic with daddies CC is pandered too, or I just do stuff on automatic and barely notice. I mean Olympus got to 9 in a couple of hours (that i spent alot of time in another window reading forums) this morning and Im like 6 after an hour on Noctis...
People with "<random verb/noun> man" in their names;
Pro's:
Makes a change from fantasy (dwarves elves etc);
Has PQs - I loved these in WAR;
No real cookie cutter builds keeps the anti-minmaxer in me happy;
The above is all from a few hours today. Im not really going to give it much more time until pre-release really, as I dont want to ruin it too soon, although saying that they do need to SLOOOOOOOW down levelling MASSIVELY. (or cut my hands off).
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I know I don't have a right to speak since I only played it for a tiny bit, so my opinions are superficial and ungrounded. Just consider the below "entertaining Goatie"
Gripes:
To me it looked like a kinda generic MMO. No 2 seperate teams means PvP will be marginal, except for the battlegrounds/arena kinda crap. The quests didn't impress me, many "collect 15 squirrel pelts" things.
Travel powers become already available at 6th level, after the tutorial level, meaning it's VERY easy to bypass content. Mobs seem rather easyish, and I heard (haven't played it) that instances can largely be soloed, meaning grouping is largely inconsequential.
Pros: Character creation is very nice and the endless customisation is very entertaining to me. The game has a unique look with the cellshading. Creating exactly the character you'd like to be is more easy than in any other MMO I played so far.
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I have to agree with alot of what has already been said. Instanced servers... yuk!
Ease of leveling...double yuk! (to clarify this ive played a total of about 8 hrs so far and I currently have 5 characters. 2 of lvl 11 and the rest at lvl 9 which cannot be right. far far to easy)
PQ's - nice
Infinate character customisation - very nice.
No (from what i can find so far) out and out cookie cutter spec. Though having said that i made a might character and had that up to lvl 9 in less than 80 minutes without dieing even once. All close range stuff but he kicked ass.
untried as yet. Group play of any description. PvP
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I know I don't have a right to speak since I only played it for a tiny bit, so my opinions are superficial and ungrounded. Just consider the below "entertaining Goatie"
Gripes:
To me it looked like a kinda generic MMO. No 2 seperate teams means PvP will be marginal, except for the battlegrounds/arena kinda crap. The quests didn't impress me, many "collect 15 squirrel pelts" things.
Travel powers become already available at 6th level, after the tutorial level, meaning it's VERY easy to bypass content. Mobs seem rather easyish, and I heard (haven't played it) that instances can largely be soloed, meaning grouping is largely inconsequential.
Pros: Character creation is very nice and the endless customisation is very entertaining to me. The game has a unique look with the cellshading. Creating exactly the character you'd like to be is more easy than in any other MMO I played so far.
Yes quests are generic i agree, the fun from them is in the writing i usually dont read them but they are really good, Canada missions based on "lost", Millenium City missions in China Town inspired by Big Trouble in Little China etc.
PVP is actually fun, you get off the bat HERO GAMES ,arenas, at 21 you open BASH 1v1, at 31 you open the stronghold scenario 1 team is trying to escape prison the other trying to stop them (plus they have said more is coming)
If you bypass content how will you level? complete your perks? see the loveliness? if you miss something the crime computer can point you to the person who wants help, no wondering where is the next quest available.
Mobs have been buffed up they were easy to test em, super villains are very difficult solo unless you use the game mechaniscs i.e. blocking etc.
1 instance is solo, Desert Prison at 30 (its meant to be) others are 5 man. Id like to see anyone solo Dr Destroyers lab (Lvl 28 5 man) even at 40 solo, and my experience was before they made mobs hurt more.
it certainly isnt perfect but no MMO is, what it is is fun, fast paced SUPER HERO action. they have the look and feel about right and they improve it, the game is still buggy but thats why its still in beta, hope theyre working hard lol.
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levelling slows down after about 15 btw for those who say its fast, my guess is they want you to be super man not just Goodman ;)
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Good reading, thanks. :)
I'll be home in 15 mins after a three hour trip. My plan is to reinstall the client, meanwhile shower (it's damn hot in Dutchie town), and then give it a go. I hope it works this time.
Gf is out of the house and entertaining herself 3 nights in a row (record), so it seems something is smiling at me from somewhere.
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levelling slows down after about 15 btw for those who say its fast, my guess is they want you to be super man not just Goodman ;)
Thats good to know about thanks matey. Had me worried for a while, even though I know low levels are fast across most games, I just hadnt expected this fast :)
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I have to say (warning: rabid fanboi mode engaged), I don't agree with many of the cons stated.
Instance servers bugged me, but I hardly notice them now. A feature where your automatically loaded into the same instance as your friends/SG members would be nice. However, I love the fact that we're all in one pot, so to speak, and have had a great few conversations with a chap from Japan yesterday, which otherswise wouldn't happen in the regular server divide.
Again, level slows right down beyond 15. Also, I think a lot of the perceived speed is down to not actually noticing the XP go up because of it being quite a blast on the way. Thats my take on it anyway.
If you've tried closed beta, and not for very long, try it again in open. I feel theres been tons of improvement since then. And Gunnar, I haven't seen a Squirrel for miles :P
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After finally being prompted to activate my open beta key, it worked.
My first impression is that the game is completely unplayable on my machine on lowest graphic settings.
Giving it a whirl at a lower resolution.
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Switch off the silly black outlining if you havent already too.
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Impossible to play even at 1024x*.
Oh well... I have awesome dishwashing skills to level up anyway.
Enjoy. :(
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Buy Steal one of your GF's shiny machines then.
Dishes can wait. Or she can do them while she's waiting for you to finish with her comp.
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Same here with the instanced servers - its a bit like Guild Wars for me, I liked guild wars and the story is great but it doesn't feel like world. I've been playing with an xbox controller and I think its great fun for that. My only question now is: would a lifetime sub apply to the xbox version of the game when its released?I think this game would be perfect for kicking back on the sofa and plugging into the 40" plasma for some kickarse superhero (wii would have been better but meh).
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Buy Steal one of your GF's shiny machines then.
Dishes can wait. Or she can do them while she's waiting for you to finish with her comp.
She said I could use her desktop, not her laptop.
Maybe it's time I say she can use the hallway, not the livingroom. ;)
I'll give it a go later on.
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Same here with the instanced servers - its a bit like Guild Wars for me, I liked guild wars and the story is great but it doesn't feel like world. I've been playing with an xbox controller and I think its great fun for that. My only question now is: would a lifetime sub apply to the xbox version of the game when its released?I think this game would be perfect for kicking back on the sofa and plugging into the 40" plasma for some kickarse superhero (wii would have been better but meh).
Not sure about the subscriptions tbh. I think they've pushed the 360 version back to focus on the PC release. I have no experience on multi-platform MMO's, so couldn't tell you. I think the current thinking is seperate servers for the console players, though I'm not sure how viable that would be.
I see no reason why you couldn't use the same sub, but its way to early to tell.
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And Gunnar, I haven't seen a Squirrel for miles :P
Surely there's a squirrel supervillain.
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My first impressions....
Not that great I am afraid.
As Elv has previously said, it starts exactly the same of COH just with shinyer graphics (something I will get on to in a moment)
As I have stopped playing WoW I was hoping that something might come along to reignite my interest in MMOs again, unfortunately CO is not that game.
Other than the character customisation which is very detailed, the game it self seems to be a very generic MMO - Run and speak to this person, collect x amount of these, kill these etc. Just another grind fest.
It does seem simplistic - something that I guess has to do with it been developed for the Xbox also - no complicated key commands here!
The Graphics, the animation, they seem a backwards step from WoW - a massive step. Considering WoW is nearly 5 years old I was quite astonished by that. FYI, My system is pretty decent - I have the graphics detail up quite high.
I appreciate that the developers do not have the buckets of cash like Blizz have but you would have thought that to give the game a chance to survive they would take some of the good points from WoW to encourage people to play this.
To that end, I have cancelled my order from Play - no point on wasting my money on something I will probably never play but at least I know now.
I genuinely believe that CO will go the same way of CoH. People are only interested in it at the moment as they are bored with WoW - If/when the new content for WoW has been released people will be back.
The only other MMO that has come close to what I want from an MMO is Conan - seriously tempted to pick that up come the end of the summer months.
I can only hope that SWTOR will be good, if not then its back to single player games for me!
Well, I expect to be told otherwise, and that CO is a great game and that I should stick with it.....
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Buy Steal one of your GF's shiny machines then.
Dishes can wait. Or she can do them while she's waiting for you to finish with her comp.
She said I could use her desktop, not her laptop.
Maybe it's time I say she can use the hallway, not the livingroom. ;)
I'll give it a go later on.
Take away her key to the front door and give her a key to the garage instead. She might then see the comparisson ;D
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That thing about similar start to CoH struck me too - and I barely touched CoH back in the day.
Still not sure if my pre-order will stay in place or not. But as an alternative to both lotro/War (which is where I get my dwarf kicks) and to the politics of eve it may work for me.
PS - come play eve, you know you want too :D
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Chaps, as someone who levelled a toon in CoH to level 44, trust me, this game is nothing like CoH. I'm staggered that you think so.
The only similarity between the tut for this and CoH is the fact that theres coppers in it. Thats it. I'm honestly astounded.
As for the graphics, I find them far superior to WoW's. Maybe its a personal preferance issue?
As I said before, it is standard MMO fare to a degree. If you find yourself suffering from MMO burnout, then you probably will find it boring.
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Same here with the instanced servers - its a bit like Guild Wars for me, I liked guild wars and the story is great but it doesn't feel like world. I've been playing with an xbox controller and I think its great fun for that. My only question now is: would a lifetime sub apply to the xbox version of the game when its released?I think this game would be perfect for kicking back on the sofa and plugging into the 40" plasma for some kickarse superhero (wii would have been better but meh).
Not sure about the subscriptions tbh. I think they've pushed the 360 version back to focus on the PC release. I have no experience on multi-platform MMO's, so couldn't tell you. I think the current thinking is seperate servers for the console players, though I'm not sure how viable that would be.
I see no reason why you couldn't use the same sub, but its way to early to tell.
You know, it would work well on a console I think - and as jeremiah says would look epic on a MASSIVE tele :)
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Same here with the instanced servers - its a bit like Guild Wars for me, I liked guild wars and the story is great but it doesn't feel like world. I've been playing with an xbox controller and I think its great fun for that. My only question now is: would a lifetime sub apply to the xbox version of the game when its released?I think this game would be perfect for kicking back on the sofa and plugging into the 40" plasma for some kickarse superhero (wii would have been better but meh).
Not sure about the subscriptions tbh. I think they've pushed the 360 version back to focus on the PC release. I have no experience on multi-platform MMO's, so couldn't tell you. I think the current thinking is seperate servers for the console players, though I'm not sure how viable that would be.
I see no reason why you couldn't use the same sub, but its way to early to tell.
You know, it would work well on a console I think - and as jeremiah says would look epic on a MASSIVE tele :)
I agree Jon, Console, big TV, a comfy sofa and it's not a bad game. It has the level of depth of most console games out there these days. Pick up an play for an hour or two and thats it. The game does not engage you. It's just that, on a PC, I expect more.
There have only been a handful of games that have made it on a Console and PC to very good effect - Mass Effect, KOTOR series and Fallout - all have an incredible story line and loads of depth.
On that note, based on Mass Effect and KOTOR - those games are giving me confidence in Biowares ability to do a cracking MMO.
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Take away her key to the front door and give her a key to the garage instead. She might then see the comparisson ;D
No garage I'm afraid (apartment)... we do have a storage room in the basement. :D
Is it still possible to cancel from Play?
[update] Seems to work!
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Euros like sticking people in basements, maybe you can carry on this fine tradition?
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Bleh... I cancelled my Play order and wanted to mess about with the toon creator until the end of open beta. The creator fries my laptop.
I shall vanish into the misty mist of mystical mistness. And return. One day. Atop a shiny gaming machine.
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I shall vanish into the misty mist of mystical mistness. And return. One day. Atop a shiny gaming machine.
That transforms into a goat.
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I shall vanish into the misty mist of mystical mistness. And return. One day. Atop a shiny gaming machine.
That transforms into a goat.
And craps on your g/friends laptop when she isnt looking ;D
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I lolled.
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Well folks. Ive cancelled my purchase with Play.com.
The game has some fine points but its just missing something to hold my long term interests. I may get it for the 360 when they bring that version out as our household 360 is connected to the 36" HD flat screen and surround sound system in the lounge and i think this game will rock on that but for the PC. naaa. Guess ill keep looking for something that runs in between CO and EvE.
CO = missing something
EvE = Love the game but don't have sufficient time to dedicate to it to make play worth while. :-[
Good luck all those taking it on... Lets keep the info on other new coming comming ;)
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Im certainly going to give this a proper chuck during any free time I get in the next month (probably not much as I am falling back into eve :D), try my hand at a variety of stuff and see what grabs me.
although thats my issue, I havent been able to focus on 1 character sufficicently in any game except those characters that are my main, and even then I tend to let them slip now :S
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I'll be there from live, it'll be my new game of choice. I have also lifetimed it.
Thats the thing though Jon, this game positively encourages altitis :D
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So here are my first impressions:
Pros: I have had great fun taking 3 different guys through the two first "scenarios". So they are level 9+ now. When you know the quests getting there can be done within two to three hours. Levelling speed is pretty high in the beginning. It really gets you going quickly and is of course intentional but after around lvl 10 it slows down a lot and mobs are harder to kill and you start to die more. This is the time I think when you need to review your spec choices and start to think of defensive capabilities. This potential min maxing is something I really like and I am looking forward to. I do not know yet how balanced the talent/skill system is but I look forward to tweaking my chars to perfection. Grouping up is easy and most people playing are very MMO experienced so if you come in the middle of a fight to a difficult quest mob "asking to join group" (option if the player is in a group) is almost always granted immediately. The powerhouse is a very nice invention where you can try skills before you buy.
Cons: It is still a level based MMO with kill 10 boars kind of quests. I though I never wanted to play another one of these but obviously I do. There is not much of a story to the game so I only speed read the quests when I take them. The quest areas are visible on the map as in WAR so what I normally do is to take all available quests and use my travel talent to go there, kill a few things and if that doesn't trigger the quest I read more carefully what I am supposed to do. All depending on how soon after my speed reading I do the quests ofc.
As others have said the graphics are sub par.
There is no manual that gives any guidance so you have to figure everything out yourself. The in game description of skills and talents are often confusing. There are 8 innate talents: Strength, Dexterity, Ego, Intelligence etc. and for instance why different caster frameworks (classes) like Fire, Ice, Sorcery, Telepathy, Electricity etc are recommended to use different sets of these is really confusing and very unintuitive.
There seems to be a boe/bop system but whether a piece of gear is one or the other is never obvious to me. The crafting system is puzzling and for example I never know what is a skill up and what is not.
Summary: As I've said I am having fun now. I think the reason is that it is different from other MMOs I've played recently. I do not know how long I will play this game. It all depends on if levelling becomes a bore like in WAR and ultimately how the end game will be. Unlike WAR where I expected pvp to keep me playing I doubt that will be the case in CO so they better keep the pve content interesting. Another personal plus for me is that my son(15y) likes the game and will get his own copy now. This means we can play together which I really like and on top of this I get to keep my computer :)
For me this game is value for money. If I look at anticipated [hours fun]/€ it will without doubt match other good games like Fallout 3.
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Biggest con right now - not enough customisation options (I want wheels, or no legs or no arms or multiple appendages etc etc - you get the idea).
I know stupor hereos are usually all captain america built and straight jawed etc, but I want more than the xmen thankyou :D
Good sign if my biggest moan now is this isnt it.